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tonight Alejandro is coming up with you

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UFO updates in just a minute and we have

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a list guests

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that's a plural tonight first of all we

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have Dave Marlar he's going to be

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talking about triangle UFOs the Battle

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of LA and the Farmington New Mexico

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flying saucer Marta

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now that's a new one to me I can't wait

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to hear about that in our two we have my

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good friend UFO longtime UFO researcher

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and journalist and now a film producer

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writer Lee Spiegel and alts

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this is real exciting we have the number

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who I consider the number one UFO film

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maker James Fox all coming up so I want

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to dedicate this show to a wonderful man

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and that's Alan bean I don't know if

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anyone out there have noticed but he

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passed away May 26

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I got to know Alan a little bit because

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I did an interview with him and we kind

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of stayed in touch over the years I

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actually interviewed him with my

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colleague Phyllis back on my antique

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auction forum podcast I did we talked

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about his wonderful artwork he's very

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talented he did moon paintings even

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sometimes what moon dust on them he was

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really funny and a real nice guy and we

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stayed in touch and so I'm going to be

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playing a clip with him in just a minute

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I want to bring all hondo in first I

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wonder there's only a few astronauts

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left that actually walked on the moon

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now I think there's like something like

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5 out of 12 or something like that so

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but I never enamoured without with

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astronauts the same way I am and it was

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right Austan pleasure to talk to Alan so

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yeah luckily I got to interview one the

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last one not the only you know moon

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Edgar Mitchell but I did exchanged a

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couple of emails with him before but was

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at Harrison I can't remember his first

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name Harrison Schmitt Harrison Schmitt

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yeah he's one of what's all about

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Schmidt yeah he's one of the guys really

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into paranormal topics also he did this

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long time in the past and and actually

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people go look at my bennewitz stuff

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where you read some of the stuff about

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you know Richard Doty and some of this

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other stuff he was right in the middle

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of all of that so there's some good

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books about what he did so very

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interesting fella hey I'd like to

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replace mitt I'd like to play a clip of

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rocks so that's about two minutes long

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echoey but i'm gonna play that now okay

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they called me up and they said this

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guy's selling this big and I said we

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didn't have any brats we brought back

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they all belong to NASA and the

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government the way frequently I'll meet

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they'll say my uncle has got a big moon

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rock I said I'll say this oh did he work

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one of the astronauts he knew him

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it in then they maybe show me a

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baseball-sized you know in their hand

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okay well where's the rock now it's in a

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safety deposit box no I'm sure that guy

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believes he has a moon rock but I can

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tell you he does not have any more

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problems yeah they know where every

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fraction of an ounce of rock star I'm

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sure I don't think you'll see them on

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eBay either

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yeah well that good FBI got those guys

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they like that to to the FBI guy who

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called me up and talked with me about it

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I said he made a fundamental mistake

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he should have claimed that one of the

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guys is dead already three others are

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dead he's back who brought it to it al

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Shepard gave adjoint coz Al Jefferson

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dead you can I'm sure after I'm dead and

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gone there's no telling what they'll

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claim that's wrong

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and I won't be around to say I didn't

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bring anything like that to anybody

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mm-hmm all right well well you have it

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here on on tape now so yeah told we'll

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protect a wall guitar yeah won't deter

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people oh yeah got that we good yeah yep

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so that's it and what a great guy he was

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you know Alan actually was on the Skylab

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back in September 20th 1973 when they

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had that UFO encounter I don't know if

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he ever saw that the Skylab UFO was a

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great big red blob I think they had it

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for about 10 minutes so I contacted him

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I said hey Ellen I'm doing a show on

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UFOs I don't know what you think about

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that but would you be kind enough to

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come on the show and talk about that UFO

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encounter and he goes well I'm very busy

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he very politely declined that's too bad

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because I yeah yeah it was this big

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organic huge red blob in the sky and a

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break it was very bright - hmm after

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looking to them not familiar with that

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one I personally although this hasn't

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always been the choice case but people

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like Mark Dantonio have shown me

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otherwise have been able to prove with

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all of my favorite NASA cases that no

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those aren't UFOs those are something

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else so I would love to see that because

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personally I don't I have I don't feel

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at this point I can point to any picture

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or video from NASA and say that's

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definitely a UFO so I would love to see

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that one cuz I can't recall that and

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that's a year I was born so I'd have

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been the but ship bringing me to earth

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that could have been it Wow

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yeah you have your ship background for

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those people on YouTube you look pretty

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awesome love this well that's a great

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great clip I'm glad I was able to hear

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it because you had talked about it and

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like like you said I I'm a huge fan of

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NASA I love NASA I love talking to

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astronauts astronauts have this ethic

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about them this you know a civic kind of

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responsibility around what they do and I

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know wisdom when you speak with them and

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it's unfortunate that every time I post

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a story about an SS or not people have

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to talk crap about NASA

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but I completely disagree with every

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single one of you who are talking it's

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tough because I'm a huge fan and I've

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I've said this before I found that group

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of people to be some of the most honest

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people that I've ever met and I've been

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fortunate enough to visit facilities and

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talk with many different staff people

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who work at different NASA facilities

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and they're amazing everyone is

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mind-blowing and I recommend to people

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you know before you subscribe to any

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particular conspiracy theory go meet

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these people because often they like to

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meet people you can meet these people

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you can go to these facilities and ask

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people about these things and and they

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love to share their work so I remember I

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also asked him I said I don't know about

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you but if I was standing on the moon

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the only thing that would it would just

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take over everything I do is am I gonna

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get off the moon you know you know I

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would worry about that the entire time

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like am I gonna get hatefully and he

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said no he says he couldn't do that he

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just had to focus on the task in front

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of him and I think yeah that's what they

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do that's what they do yeah that's what

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they often say they've got to focus on

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the task in front of them which is wise

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and often they'll even talk about you

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know even being able to enjoy the

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scenery they don't get much time for

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that because they focus on the task and

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they even talk about which makes sense

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especially when you're doing a spacewalk

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or something that you can get

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overwhelmed by the view oh yeah do you

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have to focus in order to get what

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you're doing done because of course most

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of the tasks that they're performing or

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many of them especially if they're

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outside of the ship our kind of

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life-and-death situations are they're

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very important for the proper

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functioning of whatever craft or

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whatever they're doing so they have to

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pay attention to make sure that safety

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is first but yeah I would have the same

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concern as you though I mean I even get

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freaked out flying once in a while when

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I think about being up in the air and

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this giant piece of metal yeah

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freaks me out and I have to you know

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turn on Doctor Who or something like

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that to distract myself but yeah I would

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be freaked out the whole time I remember

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my neighbor used to say when I was a kid

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and I was going up in a jet

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for the first time he said well they

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haven't left one of them up there yet so

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I did not help yeah yeah yet all planes

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come down one way or the other

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anyway do we have anything now we have

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point only have like four minutes left

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for the news do we have anything in the

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UFO updates this week yeah I mean I

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don't know did we talk about the Nimitz

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thing last time I don't know not really

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really recent George Knapp yeah yeah no

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a lot of great stuff from George Knapp

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and I mean I think mainstream media is

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just starting to unpack all of this

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stuff but you know we had this testimony

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from David flavour who is one of the

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pilots of the jet fighter during this

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2004 Nimitz event outside of San Diego

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that was part of the New York Times

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article when they revealed

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you know this Pentagon UFO study we also

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had Elizondo who used to leave that

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program talk about this however we

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haven't gotten any official documents

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well it appears that we have gotten an

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official document and I'm actually going

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to have a story coming out on den of

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geek this week because George Knapp

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released this document saying it was

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prepared for and by the military and

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some people have doubted that because it

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doesn't fit a format that they're used

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to from the military however I did talk

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with Leslie Kane I talked with several

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people even Elizondo who Elizondo said

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he's not sure this is the same report he

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saw but he did see a military report

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Leslie Kane said we did to your report

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we vetted this report we know this is

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real she said she's not sure where it

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comes from but it probably comes from

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bass which is the Bigelow group so it

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comes from a third party and Eric Davis

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who worked for bass the Bigelow group

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that did this work he confirmed that I

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know the people who wrote it it wasn't a

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military format because as contractors

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we can write them in any format we want

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and they rarely dictate to us the format

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and then we submit it in our own format

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that's why you see it the way it is

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however Jeremy Korbel who's a filmmaker

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working on hunt for the skinwalker and

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Bob Lazar both cases that are Georgian

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AB cases that he's very close to George

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Knapp he

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also been one of the people in contact

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with david flavor the pilot and flavor

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told him this is the most accurate

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account of what happened that i've seen

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so we the document is pretty much

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verified that's significant because this

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really talks about the whole event or at

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least the most important event where

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they kind of chased this UFO and it's

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quite extraordinary essentially you know

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they were vectored into this UFO flavor

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and his wingmen during these training

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exercises now by the USS Princeton who

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had detected it when they got there they

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saw a disturbance in the water that's

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the first thing they saw then they saw

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the object they were at about 20,000

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feet they came in lowered to get a

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closer look that's where they both saw

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this object which they described looking

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like a tic-tac I mean it was one of them

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described it looking like it was candy

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coated or a white board that was

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completely white elliptical type of

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object but rounded edges flavor said he

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went in closer but as he went in it

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seemed to recognize him and it pointed

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towards him and then took off at

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supersonic speeds he called back to USS

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Princeton - hey you got this thing on

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radar they said no but then they came

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back you're not gonna believe this it's

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actually 24 at 24,000 feet now and it's

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in the area you were training in earlier

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in the day then they lost contact with

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it so it moved very quickly and then the

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speculation in this report is really

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surprising they speculate that perhaps

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part of this time it was invisible to

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the naked eye and using some sort of

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stealth possibly that there was an

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object under the water that was making

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that disturbance in the water that it

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was docking with it was a Los Angeles

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class nuclear submarine there that that

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did say they didn't detect anything on

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sonar so they don't believe there was

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anything underwater but the speculation

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and the document is that maybe add some

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sort of underwater stealth type of

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technology so very shocking it also

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talked about later in the day the object

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a unknown was detected again during

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training exercises an f-18 flew out

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there couldn't see it with his eyes

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couldn't detect it on radar but did pick

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it up with his FLIR his infrared cane

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for a short period of time it seemed to

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be hovering before it flew off and it's

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a piece of that video that we've seen on

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you know the the New York Times article

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and that we've seen all over the place

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it's that piece of video now that pilot

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doesn't know if that's the same thing

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favor saw earlier in the day we don't

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know much about it and that does kind of

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highlight like you and I talked about

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this video is only kind of a side piece

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of evidence it's not the big piece of

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evidence proving anything significantly

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really the best evidence it's stuff we

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haven't seen some of it the radar data

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but it's also the very credible

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testimony from these expert witnesses

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excellent well I think we're gonna have

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to cut it short but we'll go rack up you

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know I took up a lot of the time with

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the Alan bean thing and I appreciate you

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letting that great staff so alright

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alejandro so we'll be back we'll be back

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next Tuesday at the same time and thanks

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for adjusting your schedule as well yeah

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no problem you've got a great lineup so

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I hope you have a great show I know you

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were pretty excited all right ok thanks

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a lot and I'll talk to you next week all

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right bye

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all right so our next guest Dave Marla

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he's he's been on once before he's a

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hard to get guy and he was kind enough

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to say that he would be on my debut show

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here at kgr a welcome to the show Dave

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thanks so much for Roger Arnaz it's

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great to speak with you again yeah yeah

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I know it's been I think it's been a few

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years and unfortunately yes that lies

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when you're having fun in the UFO field

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yeah and for those of you on youtube you

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can see this great background dave has

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UFO crash site and old movie posters I

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love it and so Dave for the person

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that's not familiar with you or who you

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are if you have some type of quick

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little nutshell you can give your

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background that would be great sure well

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I was first introduced to the concept of

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UFOs when I was five years old back in

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1973 there was a flapper wave of UFO

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sightings in Piedmont Missouri and

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that's where my father was born and

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raised we lived in

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Louis but I remember at five years old

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my father and my brothers and my sister

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piling in the car with thermoses of

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coffee and binoculars to go down to

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Piedmont to quote/unquote look for UFOs

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as many people were doing as it had

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garnered a lot of local media attention

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in the st. Louis area and so I never got

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a chance to go with them because I was

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only five years old I was tasked with

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staying home with mom who had as much in

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the area of disinterest in the subject

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as my father had interests and so but I

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remember being a very young

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impressionable five-year-old of hearing

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the stories they would come back and

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talk to people many of whom my father

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knew and grew up with in the Greater

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Piedmont area of Lights and objects in

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fact his aunt and uncle had witnessed

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things themselves that were highly

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anomalous and of course in the ensuing

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years dr. Harley Rutledge from Southeast

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Missouri State University launched

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really the first civilian scientific

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field study of UFOs and entered into the

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subject as a skeptic that came away I

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hate to say the term UFO believer but as

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a scientist he conceded that there was

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something highly anomalous but that was

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in 1973 fast forward about four years my

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sister and husband had a close encounter

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with UFO outside Kansas City Missouri

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that in fact I was just talking to her

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this morning about it again and

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something that terrified both of them

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and so suddenly UFOs hit rather close to

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home when my own sister who didn't drink

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didn't do drugs even though it was the

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70s she was sober witness as you could

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ask for and then years later in 1990

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still having that interest in UFOs I

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heard about MUFON the mutual UFO network

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and for over 10 years I was a field

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investigator Illinois State Director and

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conducted lots of investigations and

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then over time as you can see in the

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background just a small portion I

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started collecting a lot of historical

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UFO data and historical materials and

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with that started investigating a number

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of areas that I found particularly

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interesting and in the past we've talked

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about my research on triangular UFOs and

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that was a very specific subset that I

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decided to focus on as I felt it needed

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to have greater attention

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to it and in the ensuing years since

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we've spoken last I've been branching

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out into some other historical cases

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that one I had an interest in but to to

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be quite honest didn't feel like the

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cases had been investigated to the depth

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that I would like to investigate them

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and so over the last three or four years

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now I've been really been engaged in

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doing a high-level investigation of some

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of these historical cases which

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hopefully in the next hour we'll get a

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chance to talk about yes so why don't we

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do this Dave why don't we first talk

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about your research in the Triangle UFOs

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I I remember you were saying that they

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were up up besides lights in the sky

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they were kind of dominating UFO reports

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I don't know is that still the case

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today it seems to be I haven't ran the

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latest statistics and one of the

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statistics I look at her from the

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national UFO Reporting Center and as I

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always like to clarify and I think most

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of your audience knows those are raw

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reports and even Peter Davenport if he

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were here on this call would be

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discussing the fact that you know many

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of these reports have not been

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investigated so they're raw reports we

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can't speak to the veracity but I use

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that as kind of a testing ground as far

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as what are people reporting regardless

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of the validity what are people

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reporting and the vast majority over the

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last several years 15 20 years now have

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been these triangular UFOs and I concede

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that many of these may be top-secret

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military aircraft I'll be the first to

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concede that however when people were

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making statements on the internet that I

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can't be kind about it were simply ill

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informed or hadn't taken the time to

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look at the data I'm reading these

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postings saying well that's all military

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that's just the latest evolution in

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stealth technology I'm literally sitting

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here in my research room looking at news

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clippings from 1957 1960 not only from

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the United States but from the UK from

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Germany Denmark in fact one famous way

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that that I collected information on was

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from 1957 a wave of UFO sightings in

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Denmark from 1957 starting in November

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57 into the spring of 58 and the Danish

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defense

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servus were investigating these and I

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even found a Reuters news clipping that

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corroborated earlier statements that I

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had seen in other sources of information

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where they were describing large dark

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silent triangular the term they use back

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then were spaceships triangular

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spaceships that's right that was that

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that was the headline that dominated the

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news headlines at the time in Denmark

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and but they describe similar flight

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characteristics similar lighting

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characteristics in the case of Denmark

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over the village of grow here a woman

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even described these horseshoe shaped

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objects flying out of the triangular UFO

541
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which fast forward over the the ensuing

542
00:22:39,610 --> 00:22:37,580
several decades after that many

543
00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:39,620
witnesses described even in the Belgian

544
00:22:45,910 --> 00:22:42,830
way describe objects either entering or

545
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:45,920
exiting these triangular UFOs so we have

546
00:22:52,510 --> 00:22:50,000
just a voluminous amount of reports of

547
00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:52,520
these triangular UFOs that have striking

548
00:22:59,800 --> 00:22:56,150
similarities that not only transcend the

549
00:23:01,360 --> 00:22:59,810
decades that transcend any one nation so

550
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:01,370
when you look at that body of

551
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:02,930
information and what I try to do is

552
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:05,090
collate all of that information into a

553
00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:07,490
book and really make the argument that

554
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:09,860
whereas some of the more modern-day

555
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:11,810
triangular objects that are being cited

556
00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:14,210
maybe military the historical record

557
00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:15,080
begs to differ

558
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:17,000
as far as using that as a blanket

559
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:19,610
explanation for tall triangular UFOs and

560
00:23:22,930 --> 00:23:21,170
I think we need to be very careful

561
00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:22,940
whether it's UFOs or any other field of

562
00:23:28,030 --> 00:23:24,950
study when we start using terms like

563
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:28,040
none or all these all in terms of terms

564
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:30,890
are very difficult and I think as most

565
00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:32,930
of the audience members will attest as

566
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:35,270
well as your self partner the world is

567
00:23:38,980 --> 00:23:37,250
shades of grey there is no black and

568
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:38,990
white if like we're that simple wouldn't

569
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:40,310
it be fantastic

570
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,870
yeah and whether whether we're talking

571
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,760
trying to give her UFOs or UFOs in

572
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,400
general you know some of these might be

573
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,080
top-secret military aircraft especially

574
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:50,000
today we don't know what the

575
00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:51,650
state-of-the-art technology is and

576
00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:53,750
that's one of the reasons why I like

577
00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:55,820
investigating these historical cases the

578
00:24:00,540 --> 00:23:57,980
well-documented multiple witness cases

579
00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:00,550
which we'll talk about later we're

580
00:24:06,610 --> 00:24:04,520
looking back to 1950 I think with a fair

581
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:06,620
degree of certainty we know what

582
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:09,330
military technology what was at

583
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:12,570
that period yeah in 2018 we don't know

584
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,730
we I guess you're involved unless we're

585
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:16,260
involved in these black projects as

586
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:18,360
compartmentalised projects we have no

587
00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:20,340
idea and I don't even want to begin to

588
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:21,990
speculate in that area because I would

589
00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:24,690
just show my ignorance so looking back

590
00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:26,430
at these historical cases through the

591
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,430
lens of history I think we can ascertain

592
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:31,140
that we didn't have aircraft that could

593
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:33,270
perform right-angle turns at 10,000

594
00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:35,910
miles an hour or hover for extended

595
00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:38,670
periods of time and so that's one of the

596
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:39,750
reasons I like looking at these

597
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,450
historical cases the other one is quite

598
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:44,760
simply in the last 20-30 years we've had

599
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:47,880
new documentation Declassified from

600
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:49,830
these early cases from the 50s and from

601
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,410
the 60s and even the Battle of LA back

602
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:55,380
in 1942 some of those documents were

603
00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Declassified until the late 70s early

604
00:25:01,790 --> 00:24:59,490
80s it was researchers like Barry

605
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:01,800
Greenwood who really did the lion's

606
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,250
share of work in trying to ascertain and

607
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,720
request FOIA you know Freedom of

608
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:08,460
Information Act requests to obtain those

609
00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:10,650
documents so even after all these

610
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:12,630
decades new information can be gleaned

611
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:14,760
from those documents Dave were right at

612
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,710
our break so we got to take a quick

613
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:18,480
break however we're going to be live

614
00:25:21,860 --> 00:25:19,740
still on YouTube

615
00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:21,870
so we're coming up on the break if

616
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:23,790
you're listening now you are listening

617
00:25:29,150 --> 00:25:27,480
to podcast UFO on kgr radio and my guest

618
00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:29,160
of course is Dave Marlar we'll be right

619
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:42,510
okay if all has gone well race is

620
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:47,950
running a break and on help of a terma

621
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,890
my calling it DUI grace so you're

622
00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:52,720
running a break right now right yeah

623
00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:54,790
we're clear and we've got four minutes

624
00:26:01,200 --> 00:25:56,200
in this bright yeah four minutes okay

625
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:01,210
all right hey hey Dave so I I do want to

626
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:02,530
you know some of the things I want to

627
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:04,660
talk about because I as we get going

628
00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:06,220
here

629
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:10,780
is the fact that you know a number of

630
00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:13,810
people tell me a lot of all the time

631
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,190
that they think that these things are

632
00:26:22,410 --> 00:26:18,480
military so I want to talk about that

633
00:26:25,170 --> 00:26:22,420
and my thoughts on that in general but

634
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:25,180
just looking now while we have this

635
00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:27,850
break see if there's anything because I

636
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:30,040
don't want to say that during this break

637
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:35,220
but we will be taking questions later on

638
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:38,740
in the chat room for those who are

639
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:41,860
listening on YouTube also if we get a

640
00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:44,710
chance in the last hour I don't think

641
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:46,180
we're gonna have time but we may have

642
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,870
time for a phone call or two but it's

643
00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:51,520
going to be kind of jam-packed with all

644
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:53,470
of us it'll be really interesting with

645
00:27:04,320 --> 00:26:57,610
Lee and I and James on at the same time

646
00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:04,330
absolutely yeah so I guess one of the

647
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:06,700
things that let's see one of the things

648
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:11,200
I want to talk about the Battle of LA

649
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:15,130
you know I mean people talk about you

650
00:27:22,290 --> 00:27:18,580
know the modern UFO movement started you

651
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:22,300
know in 1947 but this was 1942 right and

652
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:25,570
so I'm really curious on your research

653
00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:27,220
and that we'll get into that a little

654
00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:29,080
bit later on but you know I want to know

655
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:33,400
were they actually thinking it was what

656
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:35,290
were they thinking it was you know

657
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:37,090
whether they think it was Japan was

658
00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:38,860
sending over these weird balloons and

659
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:41,470
stuff that was the prevalent theory yeah

660
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:43,030
but what we can certainly talk about

661
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:44,650
that and we'd like to talk about some of

662
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:46,390
the serious material that's been thrown

663
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:48,400
out there by been I like to say less

664
00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:49,870
than reputable researchers that are

665
00:27:53,230 --> 00:27:51,380
tossing around these

666
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:53,240
purported government documents that have

667
00:27:56,169 --> 00:27:54,770
absolutely no official provenance

668
00:27:58,510 --> 00:27:56,179
whatsoever they've really muddied the

669
00:28:02,250 --> 00:27:58,520
water as far as you know trying to

670
00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:02,260
create a genuine fact-based

671
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:04,520
investigation of this of this incident

672
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:07,940
and unfortunately get a lot of that that

673
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,220
pollution if you will into the

674
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:12,559
investigation because people many people

675
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,090
don't know what's legitimate and what's

676
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:15,919
not legitimate you know not only in this

677
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:17,929
case that with UFO subject in general

678
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:19,700
and I really hate to see when they bring

679
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:21,890
that that baggage in and it makes it

680
00:28:25,779 --> 00:28:23,270
very difficult for well-meaning

681
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:25,789
individuals to try to separate the wheat

682
00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:28,250
from the chaff and so that's kind of

683
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:32,059
like that it it'll turn a lot of people

684
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:33,890
off you know someone that absolutely

685
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:37,030
just getting excited about the UFO topic

686
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:40,070
you know and it's really funny how it

687
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:42,440
parallels to what I do in the fine arts

688
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:44,330
and antiques when it comes to people

689
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:46,070
collecting you know people are

690
00:28:49,539 --> 00:28:47,270
collecting and all of a sudden they

691
00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:49,549
collect something and it's a fake then

692
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:50,840
they're gone they're no longer

693
00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:53,330
collecting they turn away and I got the

694
00:28:58,990 --> 00:28:55,059
same way when people get burned with a

695
00:29:03,899 --> 00:28:59,000
with buying into them YouTube this you

696
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:06,520
it's a tool but just like any tool it

697
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:10,090
could be used or misused right right and

698
00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:13,070
yeah it's it's it's sad because as I

699
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:14,870
talked about be lecturing in Florida

700
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:17,480
this Saturday for the the Florida

701
00:29:21,610 --> 00:29:19,640
Chapter and we're gonna be talking about

702
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,620
the Battle of LA we're gonna discuss for

703
00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:23,120
about an hour and a half that case and

704
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:24,980
and like I said I'm gonna try to

705
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:26,650
separate the wheat from the chaff and

706
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,210
present facts facts that they can go

707
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:31,520
back and verify not many researchers in

708
00:29:36,669 --> 00:29:34,370
this field cite their references I'll

709
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:36,679
actually be bringing original newspapers

710
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:38,600
from my collection here from I have

711
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,390
about a dozen original front-page

712
00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:44,240
newspapers from February 25th 26 the

713
00:29:47,409 --> 00:29:44,870
originals

714
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:47,419
as well as an original photo with the

715
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:49,010
original news teletype which I've

716
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:51,650
collected and an original print off the

717
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:53,750
original negative and there's a whole

718
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:55,220
discussion with the photo that hopefully

719
00:29:59,169 --> 00:29:56,809
we can get into because there's a lot of

720
00:30:02,200 --> 00:29:59,179
Mis misunderstanding on this case yeah

721
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:02,210
because I know the photos has been a

722
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:04,850
real big issue that I'm really excited

723
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:05,380
it because

724
00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:08,260
didn't know you had that well Murray

725
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:09,940
we're ready to go back guys and I mean

726
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:11,350
interrupt you here but no no I've got

727
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:13,570
music rollin now so we're all set to go

728
00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:15,730
if you guys are ready I can make it

729
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:16,120
happen

730
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,060
yep so tell me how many minutes do I

731
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:28,050
mm approximately 25 25 okay I'm gonna

732
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:31,240
yeah we want to shut down at 56 at 4

733
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:33,970
minutes to 4 minutes still 56 okay very

734
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:35,350
good I'm ready to go whenever you want

735
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,810
to call me back in all right mom are you

736
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:40,480
ready yeah yes sir our gang here we go

737
00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:48,340
in five four three two welcome back to

738
00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:52,300
podcast UFO on kgr radio that's Katie

739
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:55,300
our radio calm my guest is the great day

740
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:57,010
of Marlar I'm real excited about this we

741
00:31:00,450 --> 00:30:59,140
were talking a little bit off break so

742
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:00,460
we're gonna have we're not going to

743
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:02,500
spend too much time on the triangle UFOs

744
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:05,890
I want to go into the other research

745
00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:11,890
you're doing but before before we take a

746
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:13,900
turn here I do want to talk about a

747
00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:15,700
number of people that have been on this

748
00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:18,400
show that have said to me you know this

749
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:20,800
is all they're all military and there's

750
00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:23,470
so many reasons to discount that one of

751
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:28,300
the reasons I think is a big reason that

752
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:30,190
is never talked about or I don't know if

753
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:31,660
you ever talked about it but some people

754
00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:33,010
are reporting these things to be like a

755
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:35,670
mile wide I mean there would be like no

756
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:37,810
instance where our government that I

757
00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:40,630
could ever picture would ever make

758
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:42,400
something a mile wide that wouldn't

759
00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:43,350
serve any purpose

760
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:47,140
no and that's one of many valid

761
00:31:51,260 --> 00:31:49,000
criticisms with regard to statements

762
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:51,270
like that where are these things based

763
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:53,590
colonel john alexander who wrote the

764
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:55,390
foreword to my book on triangles he was

765
00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:56,950
very impressed with my research we were

766
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:00,160
at a UFO conference back in 2012 and he

767
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:01,690
approached me people ask me well why did

768
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:03,250
why did you get john alexander to write

769
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:04,360
the foreword to your book because some

770
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,670
people don't agree with john's opinions

771
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:08,580
with regard to the subject I said well

772
00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:11,020
truth be told he approached me he was

773
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:12,460
really impressed with my research he

774
00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:14,440
said that's one of the best lectures

775
00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:15,880
I've ever heard at one of these UFO

776
00:32:19,289 --> 00:32:17,020
conferences in quite a while

777
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,299
and again because I psych my rep

778
00:32:22,889 --> 00:32:20,799
winces if you question what I'm saying

779
00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:22,899
here's where I got the information I

780
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:24,429
wish more researchers in this field

781
00:32:30,029 --> 00:32:27,580
would do that but John stated to me

782
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,039
matter-of-factly in many conversations

783
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:32,080
that we've had over the years the

784
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:34,570
military whether it's United States or a

785
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,009
foreign government military designs

786
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:40,960
aircraft and weapons with a specific

787
00:32:47,729 --> 00:32:44,350
mission or purpose in mind what is the

788
00:32:51,479 --> 00:32:47,739
purpose of having mile-long triangular

789
00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:51,489
UFOs cavorting about in our skies and in

790
00:32:54,419 --> 00:32:53,559
many cases hovering over cornfields in

791
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:54,429
the middle of nowhere

792
00:33:00,060 --> 00:32:56,769
the famous January the famous January

793
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,070
5th 2000 incident is an example in

794
00:33:03,749 --> 00:33:01,840
Illinois I was the lead investigator for

795
00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:03,759
MUFON at the time and that's what

796
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:05,470
personally kind of really piqued my

797
00:33:08,999 --> 00:33:07,450
interest on the subject and as I'm

798
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:09,009
sitting in these various police stations

799
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:10,570
interviewing these police officers for

800
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:12,940
that case I was struck with the

801
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:15,609
similarity in their sketches in their

802
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:18,340
narratives in their descriptions of how

803
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,470
it mirrored what the Jean darns in

804
00:33:25,739 --> 00:33:23,200
Belgium 10 years prior were describing

805
00:33:27,629 --> 00:33:25,749
and many of these officers weren't even

806
00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:27,639
familiar with that most of them I don't

807
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,279
think were and I could almost stitch

808
00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:32,080
together the narratives between the

809
00:33:35,159 --> 00:33:33,940
Belgian witnesses and the southern

810
00:33:36,869 --> 00:33:35,169
Illinios witnesses and they're

811
00:33:39,629 --> 00:33:36,879
essentially describing the same thing

812
00:33:41,789 --> 00:33:39,639
and you know especially in that case

813
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:41,799
Martin to your question people say well

814
00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:43,090
it was sighted near Scott Air Force Base

815
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:44,980
therefore it was military it's like well

816
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:46,590
first that's kind of a gross assumption

817
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:49,210
we have many UFOs reported near many

818
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:50,830
military bases but that doesn't mean

819
00:33:55,229 --> 00:33:52,950
that that's their point of origin and

820
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:55,239
correlations not always causation just

821
00:33:58,849 --> 00:33:56,830
because the military bases there doesn't

822
00:34:01,799 --> 00:33:58,859
mean they're responsible for this object

823
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:01,809
but to your point most air bases

824
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:03,940
couldn't sustain the landing of one of

825
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:05,350
these objects where are these things

826
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,049
being based out of and a week to my

827
00:34:12,059 --> 00:34:09,760
knowledge and I think I one of the

828
00:34:16,109 --> 00:34:12,069
largest databases on triangular UFO

829
00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:16,119
reports worldwide we have no reports of

830
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:17,889
these things taking off or landing from

831
00:34:21,809 --> 00:34:20,230
a military base there certainly flying

832
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,819
around in the sky but where is their

833
00:34:25,049 --> 00:34:23,200
point of origin where are they being

834
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:25,059
based and to your point

835
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:27,179
let's just talk basic military logistics

836
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:30,010
how many people do you have to have to

837
00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:31,710
maintain an f-18 like we were just

838
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:33,159
Alejandro was talking

839
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,389
about the sightings by naval pilots you

840
00:34:42,299 --> 00:34:40,000
have an entire crew that maintenance is

841
00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:42,309
that type of aircraft if you have an

842
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:44,500
aircraft a mile long do you have any

843
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:47,169
idea the scale the logistics the

844
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:49,030
personnel involved in trying to maintain

845
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:52,210
an aircraft that size let alone the

846
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:53,470
logistics of where are you going to

847
00:34:58,650 --> 00:34:54,970
house it where it's not visible from

848
00:35:00,839 --> 00:34:58,660
satellites or from people nearby so I

849
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:00,849
really have a hard time buying that and

850
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,190
again we can talk about the modern

851
00:35:08,579 --> 00:35:06,160
reports but we simply can't ignore the

852
00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:08,589
historical body of information that

853
00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:10,119
exists where these triangles have been

854
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:11,829
around for a very very long time

855
00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:14,440
yeah that's right like this go ahead and

856
00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:15,819
we just simply can't ignore that you

857
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,980
can't arbitrarily look at the new cases

858
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:20,079
and say well that's military and when I

859
00:35:23,579 --> 00:35:22,150
put forth the argument what about these

860
00:35:25,799 --> 00:35:23,589
cases in the fifties sixties people

861
00:35:27,539 --> 00:35:25,809
don't have a response for that they're

862
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:27,549
like well they could have seen anything

863
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:29,980
well why don't you say that about the

864
00:35:34,859 --> 00:35:32,049
modern day reports yeah hey that's a

865
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:34,869
good point so a couple of things first

866
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,220
of all you mentioned the earlier reports

867
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:40,480
and that's something I was going to

868
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:43,690
touch on too but this seems to be two

869
00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:45,970
type of things that people report on

870
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:47,260
them one is either

871
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:51,609
there's silent no no noise at all the

872
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:54,010
other is a humming us sometimes a slight

873
00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:55,690
humming those are the two different

874
00:36:00,000 --> 00:35:56,920
things but I want to tell you about a

875
00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:00,010
report that someone wrote me it was a

876
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:02,440
listener to this show I don't know if

877
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:04,630
she listens anymore and she was a young

878
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:08,440
girl in Australia she was in the that's

879
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:10,510
where she's from Australia she was in

880
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:13,180
the garden with her grandmother and all

881
00:36:17,549 --> 00:36:14,410
of a sudden there was like this shadow

882
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:17,559
and she looked above and it was a

883
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:20,529
triangle going over them silently but it

884
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:22,750
seemed to force them on the ground like

885
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:24,940
a pressure she said she felt a pressure

886
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:26,770
and kind of like lay down on the ground

887
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:29,230
and horror have you ever heard anyone

888
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:31,390
talk about the pressure feeling pressure

889
00:36:36,329 --> 00:36:34,450
when one was overhead no that's that's

890
00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:36,339
an interesting case though because as I

891
00:36:39,539 --> 00:36:38,109
often say in my lectures it's not just

892
00:36:41,099 --> 00:36:39,549
the ones that fit the patterns it's the

893
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:41,109
ones that don't fit the patterns that

894
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:44,670
are particularly interesting we do have

895
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:47,160
physiological

896
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:49,330
responses to some of these triangular

897
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:51,670
UFOs static electricity the hair

898
00:36:56,970 --> 00:36:55,180
standing on end you know maybe a slight

899
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:56,980
heat signature where they feel maybe a

900
00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:00,070
slight temperature differential from you

901
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:02,590
know before during and then after the

902
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:06,400
object passes over or nearby we do have

903
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:08,500
that and but that's a that's a very

904
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:10,420
interesting one I was not familiar with

905
00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:12,220
that do you recall the time period that

906
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:14,350
that was involved well I think she is in

907
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:17,410
her early 30s and she said she was like

908
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:20,050
nine years old so okay you know going

909
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:22,990
back 20 plus years 20 years or so Wow

910
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:26,140
yeah so and I I would be very happy to

911
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:28,890
connect you two together can do that

912
00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:31,690
yeah that'd be interesting I receive a

913
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:33,070
lot of correspondences you can

914
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:34,930
appreciate yeah I I have to admit I was

915
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:36,310
rather naive when I wrote this book

916
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:38,170
because my attitude was I want to get

917
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,970
the information out there I want other

918
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:41,920
people to see the historical cases and

919
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:44,620
the patterns that I found I was

920
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:47,170
completely naive to the influx of

921
00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:50,470
letters and emails and information that

922
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:52,120
I was receiving from others after the

923
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:54,850
book was released I'm sure and a number

924
00:37:59,700 --> 00:37:57,760
of people very sincerely told me both by

925
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,710
phone I had phone conversations with

926
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:02,400
many of these witnesses and in emails

927
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:04,870
email correspondence they said you know

928
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:06,700
what for years my friends my family

929
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:08,350
ridiculed me because I told him what I

930
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:11,410
saw and then I got your book and you

931
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,900
gave me validation I knew I wasn't crazy

932
00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:15,760
but to read of other people that had

933
00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:18,790
these sightings you provided context and

934
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:20,920
thank you for that and it really gave a

935
00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:23,320
lot of people peace of mind and again I

936
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:25,900
was completely naive that would have any

937
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,670
type of emotional or psychological

938
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:29,920
impact on people like that and that was

939
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:31,870
very gratifying for the work that went

940
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:33,430
into I'm sure I'm sure

941
00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:36,760
and before we move on are you writing a

942
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,460
second book on triangle UFOs or are you

943
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:41,200
gonna just move on to other things

944
00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:43,510
no this is the running joke with my

945
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:45,400
research assistants my friends that are

946
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:47,650
helping me with my my UFO library here

947
00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:49,780
we have a pretty extensive clinic for

948
00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:52,540
their private libraries and the running

949
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:54,520
joke was one of my my volunteers Bob

950
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:56,290
that's every time he looks at me and I

951
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,970
say well I gotta do this I gotta do that

952
00:39:03,300 --> 00:38:59,680
his running joke is how's the new book

953
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,310
coming I want to write a book on the

954
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Farmington incident that will hopefully

955
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:07,930
have some time to discuss here I have a

956
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,670
lot of information that people haven't

957
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:11,440
seen a lot of information that I've been

958
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:13,240
able to call out of some of the archives

959
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:16,180
and from microfilm and been able to

960
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:17,830
weave some of that together I had the

961
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:19,480
information unfortunately haven't had

962
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,950
the time to sit down and actually start

963
00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:22,000
writing

964
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:24,369
besides my career which I obviously

965
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:26,170
don't do this full-time I have a working

966
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:28,420
job that helps pay the bills and fund

967
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:30,190
the research besides my job

968
00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:32,050
I've actually been acquiring two or

969
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:34,300
three large UFO historical collections

970
00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:36,940
well just two weeks ago over Memorial

971
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:39,880
Day I met with researcher and friend

972
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:43,290
Antonio cuneus in Tempe Arizona and

973
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:46,390
Antonio was looking to liquidate some of

974
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,510
his research materials so well I along

975
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:52,480
with my fiancee flew to Phoenix and we

976
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,790
drove back a u-haul full of 13 large

977
00:39:59,820 --> 00:39:57,520
boxes of international Case Files and

978
00:40:01,859 --> 00:39:59,830
UFO information which are sitting here

979
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:01,869
off-camera right now which I have to

980
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,400
spend the ensuing weeks sorting through

981
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:07,119
and sifting through so one yeah well

982
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:09,010
yeah and you have to seize the moment I

983
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:10,210
want to write my book when these

984
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:11,890
opportunities present themselves sure

985
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:13,930
when one of my big things is preserving

986
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:16,180
UFO information and to that point I

987
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:18,250
think we've discussed this in the past

988
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:20,830
I've secured a working arrangement with

989
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:23,530
the University of New Mexico here and in

990
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:24,700
fact I'll have some of the personnel

991
00:40:28,859 --> 00:40:27,070
coming here to my research room and

992
00:40:30,810 --> 00:40:28,869
looking at the library but we've entered

993
00:40:32,849 --> 00:40:30,820
into a legal deed at yet and actually I

994
00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:32,859
think we this this transpired since we

995
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:36,700
last spoke and when I pass all this

996
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:37,990
material will be acquired by the

997
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:39,849
University of New Mexico library for

998
00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:41,470
preservation in their Southwest Special

999
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:44,440
Collections archives and people will be

1000
00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:46,540
able generations from now to go there

1001
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:49,060
and go through that material so I'm very

1002
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:50,890
gratified that all of this material is

1003
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:52,510
going to be preserved and that the

1004
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:54,990
university an academic setting finds

1005
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,730
historical and other value in this

1006
00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:00,400
information well Dave how we possible

1007
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:02,020
possibly going to fit all this

1008
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:04,210
information you have in such a short

1009
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,580
time we we have like 15 minutes before

1010
00:41:11,849 --> 00:41:08,800
the next break ends and we have the full

1011
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:11,859
hour after that but the Battle of El

1012
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:13,690
want to talk about that so let's jump

1013
00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:14,890
into that I'm not sure if we're gonna

1014
00:41:20,819 --> 00:41:17,109
have time to talk about you know New

1015
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:20,829
Mexico over our Marta there but let's

1016
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:24,400
talk about that now you during the break

1017
00:41:30,269 --> 00:41:26,710
you said something about the original

1018
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,279
clip and well first of all quickly for

1019
00:41:34,049 --> 00:41:31,839
the person that's not familiar with it

1020
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,059
most people are but that listen to the

1021
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:36,160
show I would imagine but quickly can you

1022
00:41:42,779 --> 00:41:39,849
go over what happened in 1942 sure the

1023
00:41:45,779 --> 00:41:42,789
early morning of February 25th 1942 off

1024
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:45,789
the California coast and unidentified

1025
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:48,130
radar target was picked up by three

1026
00:41:53,309 --> 00:41:50,440
radar installations Army installations

1027
00:41:55,979 --> 00:41:53,319
an inbound target was tracked for 120

1028
00:41:57,539 --> 00:41:55,989
miles moving from the Northwest from the

1029
00:41:59,640 --> 00:41:57,549
direction of Santa Maria for any

1030
00:42:01,200 --> 00:41:59,650
California audience members there was

1031
00:42:04,799 --> 00:42:01,210
sending in from the direction of Santa

1032
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:04,809
Maria towards the greater LA area and

1033
00:42:10,589 --> 00:42:07,660
this basically initiated an all-out

1034
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:10,599
blackout and alert because we have to

1035
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:12,730
provide historical context this was just

1036
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:14,920
two months after the bombing of Pearl

1037
00:42:19,529 --> 00:42:17,980
Harbor so the the great fear at the time

1038
00:42:22,769 --> 00:42:19,539
was that the Japanese were eventually

1039
00:42:24,989 --> 00:42:22,779
going to move tasks Hawaii and do a full

1040
00:42:26,819 --> 00:42:24,999
mainland assault so we had radar

1041
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:26,829
installations we had gun emplacements

1042
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,470
ready for any type of Japanese military

1043
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:31,960
incursion that might take place so that

1044
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:33,849
was the the prevailing fear at the times

1045
00:42:39,779 --> 00:42:37,930
and amongst all of this war tensions we

1046
00:42:41,339 --> 00:42:39,789
had this unidentified target which I'm

1047
00:42:42,749 --> 00:42:41,349
not saying is extraterrestrial let me be

1048
00:42:44,279 --> 00:42:42,759
very clear on that I think Martin you

1049
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:44,289
and I have talked many times that when

1050
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:46,390
we talk about UFOs we mean unidentified

1051
00:42:51,809 --> 00:42:49,420
flying objects so just for the sake of

1052
00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:51,819
clarification this unidentified radar

1053
00:42:57,739 --> 00:42:54,940
target was moving inbound then the

1054
00:43:00,479 --> 00:42:57,749
anti-aircraft batteries began firing on

1055
00:43:02,279 --> 00:43:00,489
multiple targets now that being said

1056
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:02,289
there was a lot of hysteria at the time

1057
00:43:06,539 --> 00:43:04,630
so we're not quite sure what all the gun

1058
00:43:07,979 --> 00:43:06,549
emplacements were firing on and we're

1059
00:43:10,289 --> 00:43:07,989
not sure what all the civilian and

1060
00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:10,299
military witnesses were observing but

1061
00:43:17,009 --> 00:43:13,779
based on my analysis we have at least

1062
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:17,019
one solitary target again responsible

1063
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:19,930
for the radar target potentially that

1064
00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:21,670
then moved over the Baldwin Hills area

1065
00:43:26,999 --> 00:43:25,630
California was photographed by a new

1066
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:27,009
photographer and there's a whole story

1067
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:28,240
which we don't unfortunately have time

1068
00:43:32,339 --> 00:43:29,670
to get into on that which I've uncovered

1069
00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:32,349
but we have the famous photo that many

1070
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:33,940
of your audience members may have seen

1071
00:43:39,089 --> 00:43:36,730
on the Internet and then the object

1072
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:39,099
moved down towards Long Beach and

1073
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:41,950
disappeared 20 minutes after the firing

1074
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,730
died down the object came back

1075
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:46,960
essentially based on all of the

1076
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:48,190
correlating information through

1077
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:49,720
government documents and newspaper

1078
00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:51,970
accounts the object reverse direction

1079
00:43:56,749 --> 00:43:54,220
from the direction had originally come

1080
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:56,759
and then eventually disappeared off of

1081
00:44:02,609 --> 00:44:00,400
Santa Monica and so we have radar

1082
00:44:04,589 --> 00:44:02,619
confirmation we have visual sightings we

1083
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:04,599
have a military engagement of this

1084
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:07,089
object and we have photographic evidence

1085
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:09,130
now the photograph that many people see

1086
00:44:13,289 --> 00:44:10,869
on the Internet I'm here to tell you has

1087
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:13,299
been doctored now skeptics will

1088
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:14,950
immediately discount it saying well

1089
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:17,430
there you go it's not valid information

1090
00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:20,440
for the point of clarification I have a

1091
00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:22,539
high-resolution scan of the original

1092
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:24,509
negative that was secured by Ben Hansen

1093
00:44:29,759 --> 00:44:27,130
friend and researcher out in California

1094
00:44:31,259 --> 00:44:29,769
yeah and for a documentary series he and

1095
00:44:32,819 --> 00:44:31,269
I were both working on ironically enough

1096
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:32,829
he was working on an episode for the

1097
00:44:37,799 --> 00:44:34,839
Battle of LA I was working on an episode

1098
00:44:39,269 --> 00:44:37,809
on triangular UFOs he secured a

1099
00:44:41,549 --> 00:44:39,279
high-resolution scan of the original

1100
00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:41,559
negative and I've been able to look at

1101
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:43,480
that and do some basic contrast

1102
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:46,210
enhancement and I'm here to tell you

1103
00:44:50,579 --> 00:44:48,369
that there is an object in the

1104
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,589
convergence of these searchlights it is

1105
00:44:55,019 --> 00:44:52,480
not the object that many people have

1106
00:44:57,299 --> 00:44:55,029
extrapolated or have gleaned from the

1107
00:44:59,519 --> 00:44:57,309
photo that's on the internet most people

1108
00:45:02,519 --> 00:44:59,529
you know they describe a circular object

1109
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:02,529
with a little cupola or dome on top in

1110
00:45:06,269 --> 00:45:04,690
the original negative if you zoom in and

1111
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:06,279
you do basic contrast enhancement

1112
00:45:11,279 --> 00:45:08,410
nothing fancy with Photoshop just basic

1113
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,289
contrast enhancement you Demby photo

1114
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:13,119
down to where all the searchlights

1115
00:45:19,789 --> 00:45:15,250
disappear and what you're left with is

1116
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:19,799
this elongated oval shaped object and

1117
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:22,900
around that are all of these very

1118
00:45:28,589 --> 00:45:26,230
intense bursts of light which are the

1119
00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:28,599
anti-aircraft guns are bursts around the

1120
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,240
object some have even speculated on the

1121
00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:34,000
object and what people see as a little

1122
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:36,369
cupola or dome on the top is in fact and

1123
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,670
it's very clear are a series of any

1124
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:41,680
aircraft bursts captured at the moment

1125
00:45:46,049 --> 00:45:43,930
that the tiger cur took that photo and

1126
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:46,059
it's unmistakable I mean I wish I could

1127
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:47,890
share it with the audience but it's not

1128
00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:52,089
the only photo known it well thank you

1129
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:53,740
thank you for clarifying that because

1130
00:45:58,859 --> 00:45:55,569
that always comes up in my lectures it's

1131
00:46:00,660 --> 00:45:58,869
the only known photo of that object but

1132
00:46:02,099 --> 00:46:00,670
as many people have asked Dave do you

1133
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:02,109
really think the photographer just took

1134
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:04,420
one photo and my answer is no in the

1135
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:06,700
ensuing chaos now think of you as as a

1136
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:10,750
Press reporter in 1942 you're seeing

1137
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:12,730
this object the searchlights are

1138
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:14,530
converged on it and they're throwing a

1139
00:46:19,799 --> 00:46:17,410
barrage of anti-aircraft shells 37

1140
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:19,809
millimeter rounds 50 caliber rounds as

1141
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:22,030
well as three-inch shells at this object

1142
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:24,910
over 1,400 rounds were extended towards

1143
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,700
this thing in your mind you're thinking

1144
00:46:31,859 --> 00:46:30,160
I have the story of the century the

1145
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:31,869
Japanese are attacking and I'm here to

1146
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,540
capture photos I find it very hard to

1147
00:46:38,549 --> 00:46:36,160
believe I think it stretches for jhula

1148
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:38,559
tea that a photographer traipse out on a

1149
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:40,930
hillside got a great vantage point took

1150
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,490
one photo turned around and got in this

1151
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:45,040
car and went home right somewhere at

1152
00:46:49,289 --> 00:46:47,770
some time maybe not today but somewhere

1153
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:49,299
at some time there must have been other

1154
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:51,700
photos a sequence of photos taken of

1155
00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:54,490
this incident unfortunately as of right

1156
00:46:59,099 --> 00:46:56,380
now to our knowledge we only have the

1157
00:47:02,280 --> 00:46:59,109
one famous photo now do you have you

1158
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:02,290
done research I'm sure you have and to

1159
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:04,530
who the photographer was and his family

1160
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:07,690
yes survived family and all that yes

1161
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:10,240
it's nothing conclusive but if I was a

1162
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:12,970
betting man which I'm not so what I'm

1163
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:14,680
about to say he has a lot of stock to it

1164
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,049
if I was a betting man I would say I'm

1165
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,599
about 95% certain I know who the

1166
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:22,960
photographer was and just to back up for

1167
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:25,390
a moment the original photo I have which

1168
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:27,250
is a doctored one it's like the one you

1169
00:47:31,289 --> 00:47:28,540
see on the internet although it's much

1170
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,299
cleaner is an original eight-by-ten

1171
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:34,000
associated press photo stamped on the

1172
00:47:40,109 --> 00:47:38,319
back February 25th 1942 and is unique

1173
00:47:43,289 --> 00:47:40,119
enough to have the original news

1174
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:43,299
teletype glued to the back yep and it

1175
00:47:48,059 --> 00:47:45,880
describes a mysterious object that was

1176
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:48,069
sighted and in the convergence of

1177
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:51,490
searchlights and was shot at the photo

1178
00:47:55,590 --> 00:47:53,530
came from a cellar on

1179
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:55,600
I'd love to say there was a wonderful

1180
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:57,310
backstory channel where I worked with a

1181
00:48:01,710 --> 00:47:59,140
government agent that leaked this

1182
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:01,720
information unfortunately I got it off

1183
00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:04,360
of ebay now that being said I have many

1184
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,580
other historical photos from that time

1185
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,130
period so I know the earmarks to look

1186
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:11,220
for to show that it is a genuine photo

1187
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,530
but I reached out to the seller and it

1188
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:17,440
became good friends with him and he sold

1189
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:19,990
me a provided a series of other photos

1190
00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:22,570
from this collection long story short I

1191
00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:25,960
know were tight on time the collection

1192
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:27,880
belonged to an Associated Press

1193
00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:31,360
photographer by the name of IRA gold nur

1194
00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:34,900
and ira gold nur lived in the greater LA

1195
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:39,100
area in February 1942 we even have on

1196
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:41,350
the internet photos posted by The

1197
00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:44,020
Associated Press of being Crosby and his

1198
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:47,020
family were Japanese citizens being

1199
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:49,210
rounded up for interrogation by LA

1200
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Police and the attribution on those

1201
00:48:57,090 --> 00:48:55,210
photos on the Internet are IRA W Goldner

1202
00:48:59,940 --> 00:48:57,100
so we know he was an Associated Press

1203
00:49:03,660 --> 00:48:59,950
Photo photographer he was in LA in

1204
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:03,670
February 1942 and we have numerous other

1205
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:06,220
photos from his collection and it was in

1206
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,230
this collection that this photo and the

1207
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:10,440
news teletype were Garner's bomb

1208
00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:14,350
interesting Wow so I'm sure you've heard

1209
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:18,220
all of the skeptical views of what this

1210
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:20,470
may be and I'm sure you've approached it

1211
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:24,310
very carefully whether it was a balloon

1212
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:26,770
but you're saying it changed and it

1213
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,670
changed where it was going and then came

1214
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:33,520
back which I feel would be very strange

1215
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,430
for a balloon to do what are what are

1216
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:39,520
other people proposing what this could

1217
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:41,710
have been well the most likely

1218
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:43,870
explanations as I've heard postulated by

1219
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:47,170
the the skeptics it was all attributed

1220
00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:48,760
to jittery war nerves there was nothing

1221
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:50,860
there it was just mass hallucination

1222
00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:53,320
wonderful where people were looking for

1223
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:54,760
Japanese planes so they looked up in the

1224
00:49:59,460 --> 00:49:57,130
sky and they saw them that's one

1225
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:59,470
explanation generously Evelyn played a

1226
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,520
role of somewhat into oh it did and

1227
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:04,260
as I mentioned earlier there was

1228
00:50:08,810 --> 00:50:06,900
hysteria there were misidentifications

1229
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,820
that took place but the one thing I'd

1230
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:11,040
like to say is if we want to go with

1231
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:13,050
that theory and I tried to knock out

1232
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:14,910
every possible explanation I don't look

1233
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:17,670
for UFO as the primary explanation when

1234
00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:19,110
I go into these cases if anything it's

1235
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,580
the last explanation I look for the fact

1236
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:25,500
of the matter is we have a radar target

1237
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,950
now radar was screwed in 1942 I concede

1238
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:30,720
that but we had three separate radars

1239
00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:33,210
correlated on a target moving a hundred

1240
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,430
and twenty miles inbound off the Pacific

1241
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:37,920
moving towards the greater LA area

1242
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:40,710
to my knowledge hallucinations and war

1243
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:42,350
nerves can't be tracked on radar

1244
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:45,870
in addition hallucinations and war

1245
00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:47,840
nerves can't be photographed so

1246
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:50,550
something was obviously tracked on radar

1247
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,560
something was photographed what that

1248
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:54,720
something is I don't know it's a genuine

1249
00:50:58,460 --> 00:50:57,060
unidentified flying object but most of

1250
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,470
the skeptics will attribute it to a

1251
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:00,420
barrage balloon that broke loose from

1252
00:51:04,610 --> 00:51:02,730
its tether and floated around and that's

1253
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:04,620
what people saw and I would concede that

1254
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:06,900
the general shape of the the untouched

1255
00:51:13,220 --> 00:51:10,470
photo is a roughly elliptical shaped

1256
00:51:15,730 --> 00:51:13,230
object which does some port with a an

1257
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:15,740
anti-aircraft barrage balloon however

1258
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:19,530
the Navy and the army were at odds with

1259
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:22,230
an official explanation the simplest

1260
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:23,700
thing for them to come up with would be

1261
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:26,130
to say it was a barrage balloon it broke

1262
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,080
loose was captured in our searchlights

1263
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,760
and we shot it down the problem with

1264
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,740
that is they never recovered a barrage

1265
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:33,780
balloon there was never a report in any

1266
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,490
of the military reports which I obtained

1267
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:38,460
through Barry Greenwoods research there

1268
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:40,110
was never a missing barrage balloon

1269
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:41,940
there was never the remnants of a

1270
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:42,810
balloon which these things are very

1271
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,730
large you know they're an excess of 75

1272
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:47,520
feet long you can't miss a barrage

1273
00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:49,170
balloon a cycle not like not like a

1274
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:51,060
little weather balloon and to your point

1275
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:53,850
Martin which is a valid point a barrage

1276
00:52:00,200 --> 00:51:56,730
balloon isn't going to move inland from

1277
00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:00,210
120 miles off the Pacific then maneuver

1278
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:02,550
around the greater LA area disappear for

1279
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:04,230
20 minutes and then circle back in

1280
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,780
reverse course yeah it has some strange

1281
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:08,880
wind patterns for that to happen that's

1282
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:11,160
one hell of a balloon let me tell you

1283
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:14,040
yeah you only have like three minutes so

1284
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:15,630
there's no way we can get into your New

1285
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:17,030
Mexico

1286
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:19,619
I'll have to say that for another time

1287
00:52:25,579 --> 00:52:23,099
better no no the one thing also on this

1288
00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:25,589
I know there were several people that

1289
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:27,780
yeah we got three minutes several people

1290
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,849
that actually died you know I mean some

1291
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,980
of them from the shell casings I believe

1292
00:52:37,099 --> 00:52:33,720
and one of a heart attack or something

1293
00:52:38,839 --> 00:52:37,109
like that actually surprisingly none

1294
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:38,849
from shell casings there were injuries

1295
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:40,500
but no deaths attributed to shell

1296
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:42,750
casings because to your point what goes

1297
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,490
up comes down and there was a lot of

1298
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:47,220
shrapnel that did a lot of property

1299
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:48,150
damage

1300
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:49,559
there's many photos in the original

1301
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,049
newspapers I have a property damage the

1302
00:52:55,579 --> 00:52:54,000
deaths were actually attributed and I do

1303
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:55,589
bring that up in my in my lecture

1304
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,940
because a lot of people like to laugh at

1305
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:59,040
this case the skeptics especially but I

1306
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:01,020
do dedicate a slide to the fact in

1307
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,460
memory of those people that did lose

1308
00:53:06,289 --> 00:53:04,440
their lives during this incident but

1309
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,299
they were unfortunately attributed to

1310
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:08,460
vehicular accidents people trying to

1311
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,710
drive during the blackout and they

1312
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:12,270
either ran into another vehicle or they

1313
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,220
ran into an obstacle and then

1314
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:16,319
unfortunately but yet no surprise

1315
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:17,790
somewhere attributed to heart attacks

1316
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:20,760
people were so panicked by this the

1317
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,369
wailing of anti-aircraft you know sirens

1318
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:25,260
and then of course the concussion an

1319
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,790
explosion of all these and any aircraft

1320
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:29,280
shells through a lot of people into

1321
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:31,559
cardiac arrest and who unfortunately

1322
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:32,730
later died Wow

1323
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:35,880
so now this is weird so 1942 this

1324
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:40,290
happens and so what happens between 1942

1325
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:44,579
and 1947 do we know how many UFO

1326
00:53:50,359 --> 00:53:47,880
encounters there yes there are a number

1327
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:50,369
and specifically I would cite and I just

1328
00:53:54,289 --> 00:53:51,510
gave a lecture in Roswell New Mexico

1329
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:54,299
last year on this talking about cases

1330
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:58,680
prior to the famous Roswell incident the

1331
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:00,359
Foo Fighters sightings over in the

1332
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:02,010
'european at the theater of World War

1333
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,010
two we had numerous well documented

1334
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:07,980
cases of UFOs and anomalous lights that

1335
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,750
were seen so this may have been a

1336
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,359
precursor to those series of events and

1337
00:54:16,579 --> 00:54:14,880
sightings we just simply don't know but

1338
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:16,589
until Kenneth Arnold had his sighting

1339
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,079
there wasn't really too much in the news

1340
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:21,839
I know the the Foo Fighters you know and

1341
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,510
I know also in Sweden there were the

1342
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:27,000
ghost ships or ghost ghost Rockets yes

1343
00:54:29,509 --> 00:54:28,950
yes I have some original newspapers from

1344
00:54:32,419 --> 00:54:29,519
that point

1345
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,429
as well and very interesting but and

1346
00:54:37,009 --> 00:54:34,140
that's why I like the Battle of LA case

1347
00:54:38,299 --> 00:54:37,019
because in contradiction of the skeptics

1348
00:54:41,269 --> 00:54:38,309
that say people look up because they

1349
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:41,279
want to see UFOs UFOs and flying saucers

1350
00:54:45,229 --> 00:54:43,049
weren't even in our lexicon and it's

1351
00:54:46,939 --> 00:54:45,239
very wordy - yeah so you can take that

1352
00:54:49,489 --> 00:54:46,949
explanation right off the table yeah

1353
00:54:52,219 --> 00:54:49,499
that's that's what I like about some of

1354
00:54:54,529 --> 00:54:52,229
the cases that are like for instance the

1355
00:54:57,289 --> 00:54:54,539
aerial school incident they didn't yet

1356
00:54:58,459 --> 00:54:57,299
know of the word UFO or hear anything

1357
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:58,469
about it they had no way to know

1358
00:55:02,089 --> 00:54:59,880
anything about it yet they had an

1359
00:55:03,319 --> 00:55:02,099
amazing encounter it's an amazing

1360
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:03,329
encounter that I think one of your

1361
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:04,859
guests that are gonna be coming up will

1362
00:55:09,949 --> 00:55:06,689
probably have some in Saigon that's

1363
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,959
right that's right so I think we're

1364
00:55:16,189 --> 00:55:11,819
ready to go into our break

1365
00:55:19,189 --> 00:55:16,199
so we're I want to say we're going to be

1366
00:55:22,459 --> 00:55:19,199
coming back with James Fox and Lee

1367
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:22,469
Spiegel and our guests now Dave Marlar

1368
00:55:27,889 --> 00:55:24,599
be staying on so you're listening to

1369
00:55:32,919 --> 00:55:27,899
podcast UFO on kgr radio and we'll be

1370
00:55:37,579 --> 00:55:34,939
good job good job

1371
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:37,589
we're here with four minutes in this

1372
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:40,529
break it never amazes me how fast time

1373
00:55:45,439 --> 00:55:41,880
flies when we talk about our favorite

1374
00:55:46,909 --> 00:55:45,449
subject it's really like that there's so

1375
00:55:50,409 --> 00:55:46,919
much more to talk about I'm gonna get

1376
00:55:54,370 --> 00:55:50,419
Lee so ratio get James on your end I

1377
00:55:57,529 --> 00:55:54,380
will okay I'm gonna get Lee right now

1378
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:57,539
and this this is live people are

1379
00:56:02,179 --> 00:56:00,599
listening to this on youtube so they're

1380
00:56:05,179 --> 00:56:02,189
getting a little behind the scenes type

1381
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:05,189
of things going on here well I apologize

1382
00:56:08,179 --> 00:56:06,569
to him that we didn't have more time to

1383
00:56:10,129 --> 00:56:08,189
get into some specifics that like you

1384
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:10,139
said Martin may be a future show I would

1385
00:56:13,189 --> 00:56:11,579
always the left you know I've been

1386
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,199
trying to get you on and you you just

1387
00:56:19,129 --> 00:56:15,839
like you're such a busy guy hello hello

1388
00:56:21,529 --> 00:56:19,139
well that's Lee Spiegel's voice wait a

1389
00:56:26,539 --> 00:56:21,539
minute I can't like you can't hear

1390
00:56:30,819 --> 00:56:26,549
awesome II come on all right we hear you

1391
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:30,829
Lee I mean oh wait hold on one second

1392
00:56:38,509 --> 00:56:36,089
well you're you're live so I'm live yeah

1393
00:56:43,310 --> 00:56:38,519
oh you can hear us now these pretty cool

1394
00:56:45,350 --> 00:56:43,320
I can't hello mr. Hobbes il-14

1395
00:56:47,660 --> 00:56:45,360
leave a message Thanks oh that's not

1396
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:47,670
good I just connect we begin a couple of

1397
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:49,530
minutes ago all right you better text

1398
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:55,470
him he's supposed to be for step two

1399
00:57:05,630 --> 00:56:57,300
nine number up that way I don't think

1400
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:05,640
it's James yuan hello hey James how are

1401
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:07,080
ya it's Martin Willis so you're on with

1402
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:10,110
a whole bunch of us how are you sir

1403
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:14,940
good how are you doing good in the Edit

1404
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:17,550
room as we speak just working

1405
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:20,010
continuously on on today particularly

1406
00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:23,940
rural Zimbabwe case in 1994 case oh wow

1407
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:26,780
we were just talking about that

1408
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:31,590
anyway so James thanks so much for being

1409
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:33,540
willing to do this because I know you

1410
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:36,270
are Lee's been telling me how absolute

1411
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:38,430
jammed you are trying to get this done

1412
00:57:43,610 --> 00:57:41,610
and I'm really excited thank you yeah

1413
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:43,620
you could do this we are on YouTube live

1414
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:57,620
hard time like out of the blue film or

1415
00:58:02,960 --> 00:57:59,640
anything like that had had you ever been

1416
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:02,970
this chanter you are you you're in the

1417
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:06,570
editing phase now right yeah yeah we're

1418
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:11,880
we're uh 98% done shooting and we're

1419
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:14,730
we've got three editors working pretty

1420
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,330
much around the clock oh my god Wow

1421
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:19,740
minutes gentlemen two minutes to go many

1422
00:58:27,350 --> 00:58:25,200
more okay so what what James is actually

1423
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:27,360
trying to say here is he doesn't really

1424
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,700
need me to come out to California to

1425
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:32,400
Saturn and and help them complete this

1426
00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:35,790
thing you're just going to be a big

1427
00:58:59,070 --> 00:58:56,260
distraction because it's rather you know

1428
00:59:00,640 --> 00:58:59,080
down back to the basics should I say

1429
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:00,650
okay sure

1430
00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:04,310
cm for me for me he I'm told that while

1431
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,080
we're doing any editing up there if I

1432
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:08,720
need to have a bathroom break it's 80

1433
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:11,210
steps to the nearest bathroom yeah I

1434
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:13,550
remember being I remember what it's like

1435
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:15,830
I came zai think I told you this before

1436
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:19,670
I lived in Tiburon for nine years and

1437
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:24,260
moved back here I think I don't know

1438
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,210
it's been seven years now but I was in

1439
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:28,720
Tiburon so I used to go up your way

1440
00:59:33,610 --> 00:59:31,880
Bolinas and like a whole area Stinson

1441
00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:33,620
Beach and point raised and all that

1442
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,880
really beautiful area and it lovely it

1443
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:39,680
is wonderful and the weather is just

1444
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:42,440
amazing but I do remember those winding

1445
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:46,580
roads going past Muir Woods and all up

1446
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:51,490
over the mountain and Mount Tam that

1447
00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:55,370
believeth in West were in pure yeah

1448
00:59:59,230 --> 00:59:56,560
that's what it's called

1449
01:00:03,130 --> 00:59:59,240
look look well most people can't take

1450
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:03,140
those turns so you know what you get to

1451
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:07,280
bleed if you've earned it yes if you're

1452
01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:09,890
a passenger in a car that's going up the

1453
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:18,180
all right guys 20 seconds stand by

1454
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:21,110
Martin okay sure all right here we go

1455
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:22,250
stand by yeah

1456
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:25,010
killing a perfect relationship here and

1457
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:32,570
by my line I know he says it every other

1458
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:42,710
moment literally here we go Martin you

1459
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:43,550
ready yeah I'm ready

1460
01:00:53,830 --> 01:00:49,580
Lee yes Marler yes sir and Senor Fox

1461
01:01:00,820 --> 01:00:53,840
everybody else's Hey yes here we go guys

1462
01:01:04,810 --> 01:01:00,830
in five four three two welcome back to

1463
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:04,820
podcast UFO on kgr radio kgr radio calm

1464
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:07,760
my guests our David Marlar leaves

1465
01:01:12,070 --> 01:01:09,530
spiegel and James

1466
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:12,080
we got them all on it worked how about

1467
01:01:19,630 --> 01:01:18,140
that unbelievable I thought that mr.

1468
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:19,640
Marlowe was gonna was gonna do the

1469
01:01:22,210 --> 01:01:21,170
second half I was delighted to hear that

1470
01:01:25,540 --> 01:01:22,220
he's on with us now

1471
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:25,550
oh yeah Oh games yeah he's stuck

1472
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:30,170
he's stuck with us so so we have a lot

1473
01:01:35,140 --> 01:01:32,560
to get to it and we have one hour here

1474
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:35,150
and I've been talking quite a bit with

1475
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:37,490
Lee over the last year we've had a lot

1476
01:01:44,590 --> 01:01:42,530
of great conversations and so James can

1477
01:01:47,530 --> 01:01:44,600
you what can you tell us about what

1478
01:02:03,580 --> 01:01:47,540
you're working on I can neither confirm

1479
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:03,590
nor deny all right well it started about

1480
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:07,070
six years ago when I received a phone

1481
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:10,640
call from Tracy Torme and I don't know

1482
01:02:16,210 --> 01:02:12,940
how much you want me to get into it but

1483
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:16,220
he planted the seed of producing the

1484
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:18,170
seminal dr. feature-length documentary

1485
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:20,510
film on the subject of UFOs that would

1486
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:22,490
sort of set the record straight once and

1487
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:23,870
for all you know sort of high production

1488
01:02:28,990 --> 01:02:26,000
values some of the best cases that sort

1489
01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:29,000
of thing and I tried with my last two

1490
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:32,800
productions to do that and I felt that

1491
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:37,730
while I did fairly well that that there

1492
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:39,110
was lots of room for improvement and

1493
01:02:43,930 --> 01:02:40,640
then I could have done a lot better and

1494
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:43,940
I remember when I finished I know what I

1495
01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:46,640
saw it was incredibly challenging just

1496
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:48,440
even once the film was done to get it

1497
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:50,900
sold and get it delivered was incredibly

1498
01:02:58,300 --> 01:02:52,910
challenging and required raising more

1499
01:03:01,570 --> 01:02:58,310
funds and very difficult guidelines to

1500
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:01,580
adhere to with the with Amy but in case

1501
01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:03,050
when I finished it I remember I was a

1502
01:03:09,550 --> 01:03:07,190
little disappointed and you know it was

1503
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:09,560
broadcast on his channel and my dad's

1504
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:11,330
gonna pull me inside he's like what's

1505
01:03:13,810 --> 01:03:12,680
going on son and I said I don't know

1506
01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:13,820
that I really feel like it could have

1507
01:03:26,939 --> 01:03:20,880
but I set my sights to get a theatrical

1508
01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:26,949
with with I know what I saw and but

1509
01:03:30,929 --> 01:03:29,140
every time I finished a a UFO film I

1510
01:03:34,019 --> 01:03:30,939
always say it's gonna be my last one I'm

1511
01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:34,029
never gonna do another I just learned

1512
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:37,660
not to say that anymore but famous jakey

1513
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:39,249
called me up about six years ago and he

1514
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:41,170
said God I saw your movie and I given up

1515
01:03:45,539 --> 01:03:43,930
UFOs and it's been so long but I got

1516
01:03:48,089 --> 01:03:45,549
inspired and then I read Lizzie games

1517
01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:48,099
books and how would you like to team up

1518
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:50,380
and produce the you know and I thought

1519
01:03:55,019 --> 01:03:52,150
my gosh this is kind of what my dream

1520
01:04:00,059 --> 01:03:55,029
has been and so we decided to you know

1521
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:00,069
to to launch this film and we've gone

1522
01:04:06,089 --> 01:04:02,349
through a lot of a lot of partners and

1523
01:04:07,859 --> 01:04:06,099
funders and backers and names but here

1524
01:04:09,569 --> 01:04:07,869
we are nearly six years later and we're

1525
01:04:11,309 --> 01:04:09,579
about three four months away from having

1526
01:04:13,890 --> 01:04:11,319
a really good solid ruffcut to start

1527
01:04:15,989 --> 01:04:13,900
shopping so I can't wait Leigh has

1528
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:15,999
filled me in little things that I have

1529
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:20,380
to keep secret and and I'm sure the

1530
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:23,049
listeners love to hear that but I just

1531
01:04:28,169 --> 01:04:25,150
can't wait for this to come out and I

1532
01:04:30,989 --> 01:04:28,179
have said many times you know that you

1533
01:04:33,660 --> 01:04:30,999
have made my favorite UFO movies of all

1534
01:04:36,479 --> 01:04:33,670
times you know out of the blue and I

1535
01:04:38,669 --> 01:04:36,489
know what I saw both are just top-notch

1536
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:38,679
so I'm really really looking forward to

1537
01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:40,809
listen from what I understand you have

1538
01:04:44,819 --> 01:04:42,670
some great funding and you're doing

1539
01:04:47,789 --> 01:04:44,829
things perfect and right so it's going

1540
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:47,799
to be real exciting you know it's funny

1541
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:49,569
I was just having this conversation last

1542
01:04:54,359 --> 01:04:52,569
night with a gentleman who was working

1543
01:04:57,929 --> 01:04:54,369
with John Mac back in the 90s and they

1544
01:04:59,699 --> 01:04:57,939
were going to do something for The

1545
01:05:02,099 --> 01:04:59,709
Learning Channel and it was going to

1546
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:02,109
cover among other things the rows in Bob

1547
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:06,400
Lloyd case and he had been given because

1548
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:07,839
he was working with John Mac he'd been

1549
01:05:12,209 --> 01:05:10,089
given all the original tapes of material

1550
01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:12,219
that John Mac had had and of course the

1551
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:16,660
project kind of fell apart and and then

1552
01:05:22,019 --> 01:05:19,630
you know John Mac looked the wrong way

1553
01:05:24,209 --> 01:05:22,029
and was was run down in England right so

1554
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:24,219
the whole project was sad and but I

1555
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:26,890
bumped into this guy literally bumped

1556
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:29,650
into him on the street in Colorado and

1557
01:05:32,250 --> 01:05:32,049
we started talking and long story short

1558
01:05:45,390 --> 01:05:32,260
he

1559
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:45,400
looks like 60 minutes or like you know I

1560
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:47,350
said well that's no accident because

1561
01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:50,770
when I know what I saw was finished we

1562
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:52,630
were shopping it and Lionsgate was going

1563
01:05:56,010 --> 01:05:54,670
to pick it up come on we couldn't have

1564
01:05:57,660 --> 01:05:56,020
been happier obviously the money would

1565
01:05:59,760 --> 01:05:57,670
have been great but the level of global

1566
01:06:02,670 --> 01:05:59,770
distribution would have been phenomenal

1567
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:02,680
for the cause and at the last minute

1568
01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:04,210
they pulled out and they said the

1569
01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:06,580
production values were sub par which is

1570
01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:09,160
the kind of work and so I said to myself

1571
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:11,740
that very moment back 2008 I'll never

1572
01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:14,140
make that mistake again so one of the

1573
01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:15,700
things that's really gonna stand out in

1574
01:06:20,070 --> 01:06:17,320
the film for a lot of people out there

1575
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:20,080
is we hired

1576
01:06:24,210 --> 01:06:23,350
top-notch cameramen and audio pendant

1577
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:24,220
lighting but I mean there are some

1578
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:25,750
occasions where we were kind of in the

1579
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:27,400
trenches in foreign countries where

1580
01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:29,470
things didn't go perfectly well but for

1581
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,300
the most part it's just it's not only

1582
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:33,760
it's really beautiful look at production

1583
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:36,730
Molly's look like you know frontline

1584
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:39,520
fifty-minute that's it's great and I'm

1585
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:41,410
really happy that we could we could do

1586
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:44,440
that the subject that's been lacking and

1587
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:47,050
you know what I mean yeah right I'm

1588
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:49,119
gonna bring lien for in just a minute

1589
01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:52,390
but one thing before I do I want to ask

1590
01:06:56,130 --> 01:06:54,790
you I know that it started out a lot of

1591
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:56,140
people been talking about the name of

1592
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,570
the film and they started saying is this

1593
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,119
701 it's not 701 anymore I know you have

1594
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:03,280
kind of like oh you're working with a

1595
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:05,680
title to the movie is that something you

1596
01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:10,330
can talk about and and before before you

1597
01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:13,540
before you answer that is it still going

1598
01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:17,590
to have the theme of of the 701 cases or

1599
01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:21,190
is it just change tack completely well

1600
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:23,560
the you know the the only thing that it

1601
01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:25,810
was never intended initially the reason

1602
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:30,760
why we chose the number 701 was the

1603
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:35,200
amount of cases 5118 was it if I'm wrong

1604
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:36,760
they were investigated by the Unites

1605
01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:39,250
States Air Force from 47 to 69 and out

1606
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:42,190
of which 701 remained unexplained it

1607
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:44,770
might have been more anyway but in any

1608
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:46,030
case it was that

1609
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:48,610
stubborn small percentage of cases that

1610
01:07:55,050 --> 01:07:52,210
seem to defy a terrestrial or prosaic

1611
01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:55,060
explanation and that's why we thought

1612
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,790
that would be fitting for the film is

1613
01:08:02,430 --> 01:07:59,920
that what it represents not necessarily

1614
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:02,440
some of the cases would be from the

1615
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:05,260
files from Project Blue Book and the

1616
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:11,050
like but but we're we're looking for a

1617
01:08:14,550 --> 01:08:12,310
different title so we have a working

1618
01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:14,560
title of UFOs what we now know again

1619
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:17,140
it's just a working title right okay

1620
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:19,930
so Lee what has it been your role in

1621
01:08:29,690 --> 01:08:24,730
helping with this film I am executive

1622
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:29,700
producer director scriptwriter music

1623
01:08:44,059 --> 01:08:39,130
creator well when a washer you forgot

1624
01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:44,069
that when when James personal iPod

1625
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:49,420
technician go okay okay yeah that's

1626
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:50,920
gonna be too crowded for my business

1627
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:52,060
card I can't do that

1628
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:54,250
[Laughter]

1629
01:09:01,140 --> 01:08:58,000
when James first asked me to even come

1630
01:09:03,870 --> 01:09:01,150
on board with the team I couldn't

1631
01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:03,880
because I was still working and writing

1632
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:06,940
for The Huffington Post sure and it

1633
01:09:11,789 --> 01:09:08,980
would have been a conflict of interest

1634
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:11,799
for me to continue writing for them and

1635
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:16,330
also to be writing with James and almost

1636
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,319
exactly a year ago I became one of about

1637
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:23,440
2,100 people who who fell victim to a

1638
01:09:31,860 --> 01:09:27,850
gigantic layoff at a big company that

1639
01:09:33,780 --> 01:09:31,870
involved AOL Yahoo Verizon and HuffPost

1640
01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:33,790
to many people doing the same kind of

1641
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:38,830
jobs and so they write of me and that

1642
01:09:44,849 --> 01:09:42,310
same day I called James and I said are

1643
01:09:47,309 --> 01:09:44,859
you still interested in having me work

1644
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,319
on the script and he said why did

1645
01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:48,880
something happen I said yeah I just got

1646
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:50,920
laid off and he any wouldn't stop

1647
01:10:08,500 --> 01:09:58,120
doing now yeah

1648
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:08,510
and he apologized he said the combined

1649
01:10:13,780 --> 01:10:12,080
forces yeah yeah and it was it was great

1650
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:13,790
and I said yeah I'm ready to jump on

1651
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:19,910
board now and I am so impressed with mr.

1652
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:24,080
Fox's passion not only for the subject

1653
01:10:30,220 --> 01:10:27,170
matter but I mean this man is working

1654
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,230
six seven days a week sitting in an in

1655
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:32,960
an editing studio and he's going through

1656
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:36,980
I'm gonna say conservatively thousands

1657
01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:42,110
of feet or inches or yards of videotape

1658
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:45,260
he has shot around the world not to

1659
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:49,610
mention the amazing footage he shot with

1660
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:53,810
his to count'em two outstanding drones a

1661
01:10:58,840 --> 01:10:56,810
la that he's been using I mean and

1662
01:11:02,860 --> 01:10:58,850
without without giving anything away I

1663
01:11:05,050 --> 01:11:02,870
will tell you this the opening sequence

1664
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:05,060
of this film is going to take

1665
01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:07,310
everybody's breath away and that's at

1666
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:10,760
all yeah it's it's so good and I know

1667
01:11:19,210 --> 01:11:12,860
what it is to I had to keep the secret I

1668
01:11:28,090 --> 01:11:19,220
don't like that so hey go ahead go ahead

1669
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:28,100
Jane for me and I know for Lee as well

1670
01:11:31,570 --> 01:11:29,690
and thank God we was sitting right next

1671
01:11:33,310 --> 01:11:31,580
to me during those times actually at

1672
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:33,320
least a couple of them yeah but those

1673
01:11:36,190 --> 01:11:34,400
moments when you're sitting there

1674
01:11:37,330 --> 01:11:36,200
filming and you're conducting this

1675
01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:37,340
interview and you're thinking how the

1676
01:11:39,790 --> 01:11:39,230
hell did I get here yes how did this

1677
01:11:43,330 --> 01:11:39,800
happen

1678
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:43,340
yes why am I gonna keep you know and I

1679
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:45,560
remember a couple of times and I quite

1680
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,180
seriously mean this I would literally

1681
01:11:51,070 --> 01:11:49,520
pinch my leg see if I'm dreaming or not

1682
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:51,080
and there are definitely a couple of

1683
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:54,050
moments like that in the film oh oh yeah

1684
01:11:58,510 --> 01:11:55,960
I mean we have people who we've already

1685
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,520
interviewed there in the can that are

1686
01:12:04,590 --> 01:12:00,800
amazing from from from politics to

1687
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:04,600
military to science to law enforcement

1688
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:07,430
just just an incredible array of people

1689
01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:10,790
who just wanted to come forward and and

1690
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:11,870
get something off the

1691
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,870
chests as so many people have not felt

1692
01:12:20,380 --> 01:12:16,880
that they could for so many years and

1693
01:12:23,050 --> 01:12:20,390
we're we're in a really good position to

1694
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:23,060
present this film and it's gonna be a

1695
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:24,050
little different from other

1696
01:12:30,340 --> 01:12:28,400
documentaries we're not out there making

1697
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:30,350
claim that the United States government

1698
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:32,330
or the governments of the world are I

1699
01:12:36,490 --> 01:12:34,730
just been lying to us you know for their

1700
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:36,500
own purposes and it's a gigantic

1701
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,110
conspiracy theory no no we leave that to

1702
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:41,360
other folks who want to put that into

1703
01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:43,190
their documentaries we're going in a

1704
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:45,230
different direction one that I think

1705
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:47,600
people will resonate with when they see

1706
01:12:52,930 --> 01:12:50,300
this well we have the drone picture when

1707
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:52,940
you were up on Mount Tam showing now and

1708
01:12:57,190 --> 01:12:55,610
no tube so you know speaking of getting

1709
01:12:59,980 --> 01:12:57,200
things off their chest I'm gonna let

1710
01:13:01,360 --> 01:12:59,990
Dave Marlar ask you a question Dave do

1711
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:01,370
you have a question you'd like to ask

1712
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:03,250
them about this film or anything else

1713
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:05,480
yeah how did they make me look in the

1714
01:13:19,570 --> 01:13:10,730
segments they found with me we had we

1715
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:19,580
had to blur your face because the only

1716
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:22,610
things the only part of David's section

1717
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:25,070
in the movie is yes we had to blur his

1718
01:13:30,730 --> 01:13:28,010
face out so that we could be clear with

1719
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:30,740
all the filing cabinets behind him they

1720
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:45,230
have all he's gathered yeah Martin for

1721
01:13:49,930 --> 01:13:47,750
the sake of you in the audience just had

1722
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:49,940
a wonderful time James come out and

1723
01:13:54,610 --> 01:13:52,520
spend a weekend here and I was just

1724
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:54,620
happy and gratified then we had a lot of

1725
01:13:58,600 --> 01:13:56,450
historical material here that he was

1726
01:14:00,820 --> 01:13:58,610
able to utilize for the for this the

1727
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,830
production and Lee had a chance to

1728
01:14:04,210 --> 01:14:02,480
review much of that as well and Lee and

1729
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:04,220
I have talked about that as well yeah

1730
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:06,890
but I'm really glad about that

1731
01:14:12,430 --> 01:14:10,880
that you know James and Lee have woven

1732
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:12,440
this fabric and I think that's a good

1733
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:14,870
way to describe it where they weave in

1734
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:16,910
these narratives these cases this

1735
01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:19,370
information and and I you know we're

1736
01:14:25,810 --> 01:14:23,960
data and we literally are we're

1737
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:25,820
literally bringing parts of your archive

1738
01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:29,900
to life if it's so incredible David

1739
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:31,670
Marla's archive is just I mean it

1740
01:14:36,580 --> 01:14:34,370
belongs in a museum but and eventually

1741
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:36,590
it might end up in a museum but I was so

1742
01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:38,570
impressed at all the original like

1743
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:41,300
newspaper headlines and all the audio

1744
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:43,610
file that you have like it's a treasure

1745
01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:45,020
trove like all the people that have been

1746
01:14:52,330 --> 01:14:46,160
working on this film would be going

1747
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:55,720
but listen on top of that something else

1748
01:15:03,490 --> 01:14:57,590
I'd like to share with you guys is that

1749
01:15:05,770 --> 01:15:03,500
we have offered to pay for that's been

1750
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:05,780
going for about six months to digitize

1751
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:11,750
and transfer all of Koufos material yep

1752
01:15:17,170 --> 01:15:13,730
and we've uncovered some gem there that

1753
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:17,180
are so precious never-before-seen

1754
01:15:26,110 --> 01:15:22,880
footage of Hynek and I'm just a number

1755
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:26,120
of incredible interviews from the 40s

1756
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:29,090
and 50s and 60s as well as I don't know

1757
01:15:34,420 --> 01:15:31,850
we we could well I don't know do we want

1758
01:15:38,370 --> 01:15:34,430
to talk about the United Nations oh well

1759
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:38,380
I you know it's so close to my heart

1760
01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:43,130
because I I produced this what's been

1761
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:46,670
called a milestone UFO presentation at

1762
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:50,330
the United Nations in 1978 and for all

1763
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:54,560
of these years I have been kind of

1764
01:16:00,370 --> 01:15:56,750
searching in the little nooks and

1765
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:00,380
crannies and corners to find footage as

1766
01:16:05,530 --> 01:16:02,450
much footage as I could on the

1767
01:16:07,870 --> 01:16:05,540
presentation because we weren't I wasn't

1768
01:16:11,370 --> 01:16:07,880
given the footage as I was promised by

1769
01:16:14,350 --> 01:16:11,380
the country of Grenada back then and so

1770
01:16:16,930 --> 01:16:14,360
we've been looking and looking and and

1771
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:16,940
all that I'm going to say is if I was

1772
01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:19,250
wearing a hat right now I would tip it

1773
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:23,200
to a young lady named Kelly Fox

1774
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:26,930
Kelly is is James's sister she's been

1775
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:28,970
doing amazing work going through

1776
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:31,370
archives and archive organizations to

1777
01:16:36,850 --> 01:16:34,310
find us things for this documentary and

1778
01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:36,860
a few months ago James called me one day

1779
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:38,430
and said what

1780
01:16:42,830 --> 01:16:40,650
you've been looking for for like forty

1781
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:42,840
years that you've been frustrated and

1782
01:16:46,730 --> 01:16:44,610
haven't been able to find and to be able

1783
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:46,740
to share with the world and I said I

1784
01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:48,450
think I said something like well I've

1785
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:51,990
already got a beautiful woman so I was a

1786
01:16:57,950 --> 01:16:56,970
good answer yeah and I said okay don't

1787
01:17:02,240 --> 01:16:57,960
don't tease me

1788
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:02,250
he said Kelly found all of United

1789
01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:07,110
Nations footage oh my goodness Wow

1790
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:08,700
I bet you looked a little different too

1791
01:17:15,070 --> 01:17:10,410
I saw the pictures Oh

1792
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:15,080
oh my gosh I I did I did like a

1793
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:19,800
somersault because it took so much out

1794
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:23,820
of me to actually see these people Allen

1795
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,360
Hynek Jacque valeted Army captain Larry

1796
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:29,760
coin telling the United Nations about

1797
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:33,480
his harrowing helicopter yeah experience

1798
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:37,170
in 1973 and I hadn't seen any of this

1799
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:40,530
footage in the last 40 years and now we

1800
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:43,890
have a possibility of getting it that is

1801
01:17:48,230 --> 01:17:46,050
amazing James I changed I think you're

1802
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:48,240
getting a little crosswind there did you

1803
01:18:00,500 --> 01:17:56,540
yeah that is better James let me ask you

1804
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:00,510
this question what has since the you

1805
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:03,210
know the Pentagon story came out on

1806
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:07,890
December 16th and I I think things have

1807
01:18:13,190 --> 01:18:10,140
changed quite a bit since that time have

1808
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:13,200
you had to adjust anything or change

1809
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:16,800
anything since that has happened or have

1810
01:18:22,460 --> 01:18:19,470
you taken any new tax on what you're

1811
01:18:24,380 --> 01:18:22,470
doing because of that that article and

1812
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:24,390
people taking this more seriously these

1813
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:32,490
days when you say we were talking about

1814
01:18:44,690 --> 01:18:42,600
the nimitz earlier yeah a financial toll

1815
01:18:48,170 --> 01:18:44,700
for the third love the third investors

1816
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:48,180
we got it we got on board and how do you

1817
01:18:52,010 --> 01:18:50,460
account for something you know without

1818
01:18:55,820 --> 01:18:52,020
knowing that and

1819
01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:55,830
so I just said you know something's

1820
01:18:58,820 --> 01:18:57,450
gonna happen you know how you gonna end

1821
01:19:01,400 --> 01:18:58,830
us I don't know something's gonna happen

1822
01:19:03,710 --> 01:19:01,410
well it always does and when it does

1823
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,720
we'll document it and I put a little

1824
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:05,280
extra budget in for that and then lo and

1825
01:19:09,710 --> 01:19:06,840
behold to cover the New York Times happy

1826
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:09,720
so yeah I predicted something would

1827
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:11,100
happen but I didn't predict something

1828
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:14,370
that good what happens here I mean right

1829
01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:15,090
right

1830
01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:18,600
so with that happening you have actually

1831
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:21,180
changed some things in the film rate mid

1832
01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:27,450
film right are you there yeah we yeah

1833
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:28,230
I'm right here

1834
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:31,380
yeah we yes we're covering that a bit

1835
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:31,920
yeah

1836
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:33,120
they're covering that event oh well

1837
01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:36,930
that's exciting yeah it's not gonna be

1838
01:19:41,660 --> 01:19:39,480
you know it'll probably be just a few

1839
01:19:44,450 --> 01:19:41,670
minutes towards the end but I think

1840
01:19:46,730 --> 01:19:44,460
it'll open up a window of government

1841
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:46,740
transparency and like unlike we've ever

1842
01:19:51,980 --> 01:19:50,130
seen in America yeah yeah yeah and and I

1843
01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:51,990
you know you might it might be that you

1844
01:19:59,060 --> 01:19:55,710
might be sensing that perhaps James and

1845
01:20:01,970 --> 01:19:59,070
I are just resisting a little bit

1846
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:01,980
telling you much more yes you are and

1847
01:20:07,670 --> 01:20:05,040
and normally historically I'm the guy

1848
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:07,680
who stands up on a soapbox and says I

1849
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:11,010
hate it when people tease the public for

1850
01:20:15,940 --> 01:20:12,330
claiming that they've got this and that

1851
01:20:19,810 --> 01:20:15,950
and no it's my turn now yeah and so I

1852
01:20:24,170 --> 01:20:19,820
that but this is not the kind of tease

1853
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:24,180
where like the other people where they

1854
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:26,850
never produce a payoff and there's the

1855
01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:29,580
difference we're gonna give you a payoff

1856
01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:33,180
and so we we're just keeping it as close

1857
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:36,600
at hand as possible so that we can feel

1858
01:20:42,230 --> 01:20:39,900
free to finish this thing and then put

1859
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:42,240
it out there too so everybody can see it

1860
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:45,120
and then I'll sleep for a year and James

1861
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,370
will be able to take care and and raise

1862
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:49,920
his young son for the next five years

1863
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,710
without distractions yes not for two

1864
01:21:00,490 --> 01:20:57,840
years yeah it's like we're not we're not

1865
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:00,500
trying to deliberately keep it a secret

1866
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:05,820
no we're not I will say this for

1867
01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:08,610
all the people out there who almost

1868
01:21:14,660 --> 01:21:12,420
daily say well disclosure it's right

1869
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:14,670
around the corner I can taste it it's

1870
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:17,730
happening the truth is going to no no no

1871
01:21:24,650 --> 01:21:21,840
folks take a deep breath everybody first

1872
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:24,660
of all we I don't believe any of us here

1873
01:21:30,770 --> 01:21:27,210
on this show right now will actually be

1874
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:30,780
alive long enough to hear or know the

1875
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:33,600
ultimate truth about UFOs and as far as

1876
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,780
disclosure hey folks if you do the

1877
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:38,880
legwork you've got to go out there and

1878
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:40,970
do some research you will find

1879
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:43,850
disclosure has been happening for a very

1880
01:21:49,850 --> 01:21:46,860
long time you just got to look for it

1881
01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:49,860
and you'll find it right right James up

1882
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:53,670
going back to the topic of the Pentagon

1883
01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:56,850
you know the the New York Times story do

1884
01:22:08,060 --> 01:21:58,530
you believe that you'll be able to sell

1885
01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:08,070
the film easier because of that having

1886
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:12,390
sold all three previous films within six

1887
01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:15,210
weeks of completion and looking at this

1888
01:22:20,540 --> 01:22:19,140
film now there's just no comparison with

1889
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:20,550
this film and the other films that I've

1890
01:22:24,980 --> 01:22:23,250
done I've got a few people in the in the

1891
01:22:27,230 --> 01:22:24,990
industry that are just champion of the

1892
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:27,240
bit to put this thing into the right

1893
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:30,090
hands so I think that it's gonna make

1894
01:22:35,900 --> 01:22:32,910
the other cases that we're featuring in

1895
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:35,910
this film that much more credible to

1896
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:40,800
have you know this program come out and

1897
01:22:46,460 --> 01:22:41,970
the people that were behind the program

1898
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:46,470
coming out validating the existence of

1899
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:48,270
UFOs I think that's going to be a

1900
01:22:52,460 --> 01:22:50,640
tremendous boon for the film no question

1901
01:22:55,850 --> 01:22:52,470
about it and certainly in the marketing

1902
01:22:58,220 --> 01:22:55,860
people are keen to know more at this

1903
01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:58,230
point so I'm very excited about that and

1904
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:01,080
I and like I said the handful of people

1905
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,150
that I've had just had a couple of

1906
01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:06,000
friends oh my god this guy's doing yeah

1907
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:09,000
come over so I invited people in roaming

1908
01:23:13,220 --> 01:23:10,500
I'm telling you right now these people

1909
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:13,230
saw it before and they just walk out of

1910
01:23:19,220 --> 01:23:16,050
here in a trance like oh my god I can't

1911
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:19,230
believe this building coming down Wow

1912
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:25,590
now do you know yeah

1913
01:23:30,170 --> 01:23:27,510
now would you consider the format

1914
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:30,180
basically a documentary or would you is

1915
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:33,690
it kind of like a mixture of of how

1916
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:39,360
you'd classify it well if any of you out

1917
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:42,120
there have seen I know what I saw it's

1918
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,210
similar and the fact that it's got

1919
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:48,560
pretty solid cases you know of any cases

1920
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:51,920
from around the world this is even more

1921
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:55,260
international but it's a lot better shot

1922
01:24:00,560 --> 01:23:57,480
a lot better researched and and we're

1923
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:00,570
gonna do a much better job with a

1924
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:04,920
narrative that will fit these stories

1925
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:06,810
together in a compelling and exciting

1926
01:24:11,210 --> 01:24:09,780
way but but that everything will service

1927
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:11,220
everything will have a purpose it won't

1928
01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:13,890
just be banging the view over the head

1929
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:16,200
case after case after case do you don't

1930
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,170
mean right right oh yes your question

1931
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:21,360
but do I feel like that will help sell

1932
01:24:25,460 --> 01:24:23,130
the film yeah absolutely I do but I feel

1933
01:24:27,850 --> 01:24:25,470
like it would have it would have it it

1934
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:27,860
will sell with or without that I mean

1935
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:31,860
it's about the closest I've seen to

1936
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:39,570
disclosure ever this it's it's gonna be

1937
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:42,090
it's it's I can't see how it's not gonna

1938
01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:43,640
stir the pot let's put that way

1939
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:47,100
excellent well I had I had selma siddik

1940
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:51,840
from the aerial school incident on my

1941
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:53,400
show and I'm telling you I had

1942
01:24:59,690 --> 01:24:57,030
goosebumps talking to her that's just to

1943
01:25:03,950 --> 01:24:59,700
me I'm glad that case is gonna be part

1944
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:03,960
of it because that that just is such an

1945
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,130
incredible case and the in what they saw

1946
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:11,040
and everything that's just amazing so

1947
01:25:18,170 --> 01:25:12,330
I'm really I was really glad to hear

1948
01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:18,180
that was gonna be part of the film okay

1949
01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:21,150
oh I just wanted to add James that I

1950
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:24,120
want to let Martin know that James and

1951
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:25,830
Lee have shared some of the clips with

1952
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:28,530
me both shot with myself but with others

1953
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:31,260
and in discussing the material and Lee

1954
01:25:36,740 --> 01:25:33,510
and I have had many discussions on

1955
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:36,750
I just want to commend James and Lee for

1956
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:39,810
their vetting process Martin you and I

1957
01:25:43,819 --> 01:25:41,310
have talked many times about this field

1958
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:43,829
there is everything from credible to

1959
01:25:49,129 --> 01:25:46,590
crazy and all things in between and I

1960
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:49,139
want to commend Lee and James for their

1961
01:25:53,959 --> 01:25:51,690
vetting process many times you see

1962
01:25:56,209 --> 01:25:53,969
productions or you hear a lecture or you

1963
01:25:58,399 --> 01:25:56,219
see this or that presented in the UFO

1964
01:26:00,260 --> 01:25:58,409
field and you say you know what that's

1965
01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:00,270
really good except for the fact they

1966
01:26:04,879 --> 01:26:02,550
included that person or they included us

1967
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,889
that case yeah and just from what

1968
01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:06,960
limited information they shared with me

1969
01:26:11,089 --> 01:26:09,329
what I've seen thus far and you know I

1970
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,099
have zero tolerance for craziness in

1971
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:13,440
this field there is no weak link

1972
01:26:19,370 --> 01:26:16,440
they have no weak link and they make a

1973
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,380
compelling argument that I would task

1974
01:26:23,930 --> 01:26:21,840
any of the most ardent skeptics to watch

1975
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:23,940
this documentary and come away and still

1976
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:25,380
feel the same way that they did before

1977
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:28,170
they came in to see it so I just want to

1978
01:26:33,919 --> 01:26:30,210
commend Lee and James for their work in

1979
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:33,929
that regard this field is striving for

1980
01:26:38,569 --> 01:26:36,449
credibility and both James's previous

1981
01:26:41,359 --> 01:26:38,579
productions as well as this one hits the

1982
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:41,369
mark and it hits the mark big-time right

1983
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:44,820
well well yeah thank you David

1984
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,420
and you know what right back at ya well

1985
01:26:54,919 --> 01:26:50,639
you're handing a compliments I want to

1986
01:26:59,419 --> 01:26:54,929
say that David Marla is is like a

1987
01:27:01,280 --> 01:26:59,429
walking encyclopedia of UFOs it's not

1988
01:27:04,129 --> 01:27:01,290
that he it's not just that he has

1989
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:04,139
hundreds of filing cabinets with folders

1990
01:27:08,540 --> 01:27:05,880
in them with papers and correspondence

1991
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:08,550
and pictures you go up to this guy or

1992
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,530
you call him if I can call if I call

1993
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:12,719
David any day that we can say David

1994
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:15,810
listen what do you know about 1973

1995
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:19,500
pan-american 747 he'll suddenly stop me

1996
01:27:23,839 --> 01:27:21,510
and he'll just tell me the entire case

1997
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:23,849
the names of the pilots the names of

1998
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:27,329
every passenger on them on the matter

1999
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:33,000
date of birth date of birth he is so

2000
01:27:38,359 --> 01:27:36,750
he's so thorough he's he is a walking

2001
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:38,369
encyclopedia I feel like every time

2002
01:27:43,459 --> 01:27:41,639
David you've received the new file or

2003
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:43,469
information as you're thumbing through

2004
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:46,650
it I can hear the clicking of like a

2005
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:49,590
in your head click click click and it's

2006
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,570
going into another filing cabinet of

2007
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:54,000
your mind that's well that's how good he

2008
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,250
is well thank you but to demonstrate

2009
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,320
that I think James was witness to that

2010
01:28:01,340 --> 01:27:59,760
when he was here filming because he was

2011
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:01,350
asking about this case in that case and

2012
01:28:05,060 --> 01:28:02,940
I'm literally running around pulling

2013
01:28:07,730 --> 01:28:05,070
files out of various file cabinet

2014
01:28:09,260 --> 01:28:07,740
drawers and as I like to say it's great

2015
01:28:10,940 --> 01:28:09,270
to have all this information but it's

2016
01:28:12,710 --> 01:28:10,950
not organized and if you can't readily

2017
01:28:15,140 --> 01:28:12,720
retrieve it there's no point having it

2018
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:15,150
so thank you well it was it was so funny

2019
01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:16,950
because I've been working with this

2020
01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:19,380
other guy it was a really good editor

2021
01:28:26,180 --> 01:28:23,340
his name is Ben and Ben will you know

2022
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,190
I'll put him on a certain task and come

2023
01:28:43,220 --> 01:28:28,320
one week so he goes thank you guys that

2024
01:28:45,380 --> 01:28:43,230
gave it Barlow just very complex period

2025
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:45,390
that I think leads nicely up to the

2026
01:28:52,540 --> 01:28:49,110
socorro in 64 but the budget things that

2027
01:28:55,130 --> 01:28:52,550
build to that so by the time you get to

2028
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:55,140
succour New Mexico in 64 was with Lonnie

2029
01:29:00,140 --> 01:28:57,930
Zamora that case just becomes that much

2030
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:00,150
more palatable for I think mainstream

2031
01:29:06,260 --> 01:29:04,110
because we built our our case with these

2032
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:06,270
prior instance which I knew very little

2033
01:29:11,630 --> 01:29:09,690
about and I'm really going and I'm

2034
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:11,640
really glad that James recognized that

2035
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,160
because I've lectured before on the fact

2036
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:15,840
that there are these precedents for

2037
01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:18,560
Socorro namely Levelland Texas

2038
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:21,270
Alamogordo these other cases describing

2039
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:23,010
essentially the same scenario that

2040
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:25,890
played out and many of these involve law

2041
01:29:31,070 --> 01:29:28,890
enforcement and military in fact James I

2042
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:31,080
believe will be including an actual

2043
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:33,450
radio broadcast involving the public

2044
01:29:36,970 --> 01:29:35,070
information officer from White Sands

2045
01:29:39,710 --> 01:29:36,980
proving ground where he states that

2046
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:39,720
military personnel witnessed the landing

2047
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:43,410
of this UFO and the tape off of this UFO

2048
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,000
I mean this is the actual public

2049
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:48,000
information officer and two statements

2050
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:50,370
made earlier he's able to marry those

2051
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:53,610
radio vintage radio newscasts with with

2052
01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:57,360
the newspaper papers yeah I think James

2053
01:30:00,640 --> 01:29:58,920
sent me a clip and I told James in

2054
01:30:03,490 --> 01:30:00,650
response I texted back I said

2055
01:30:05,770 --> 01:30:03,500
you make this material dance it just it

2056
01:30:07,690 --> 01:30:05,780
just goes together so seamlessly and I

2057
01:30:09,970 --> 01:30:07,700
know Lee has been looking at some of

2058
01:30:11,530 --> 01:30:09,980
those clips as well and you know it's

2059
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:11,540
it's a testament to James and his

2060
01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:14,480
creativity that he's able to marry all

2061
01:30:18,910 --> 01:30:16,430
of this material and make some sense out

2062
01:30:25,450 --> 01:30:18,920
of it because there's just so much to

2063
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:25,460
sort through James are there some that

2064
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:27,170
you're that might some of these

2065
01:30:32,410 --> 01:30:29,570
incidences and some of these takes that

2066
01:30:34,630 --> 01:30:32,420
may be cut out in the editing that

2067
01:30:36,190 --> 01:30:34,640
you're like on the fence about or do you

2068
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:36,200
think you've captured everything that's

2069
01:30:42,970 --> 01:30:41,510
going to be in stay in the film I think

2070
01:30:52,150 --> 01:30:42,980
it's gonna be have to be a seven hour

2071
01:30:54,370 --> 01:30:52,160
Odyssey yeah okay yeah and he's lying no

2072
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:54,380
we already have enough for more than a

2073
01:30:59,380 --> 01:30:57,110
two hour presentation at this point I

2074
01:31:00,940 --> 01:30:59,390
said to Lee I said this film has got to

2075
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:00,950
do really well Lee because you and I

2076
01:31:07,780 --> 01:31:04,010
have got we ought to make a film on just

2077
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:07,790
socorro just Australia just South

2078
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:13,040
America just China just rua I mean each

2079
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:16,190
one of these cases has so much depth and

2080
01:31:20,410 --> 01:31:18,890
complexity and you know it's like where

2081
01:31:23,230 --> 01:31:20,420
do you you know yet to be very selective

2082
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:23,240
but I but I did say you know totally we

2083
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:24,610
should we should seriously consider

2084
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:27,770
doing like an eight eight part series on

2085
01:31:33,340 --> 01:31:29,510
the full hour on each one of these cases

2086
01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:33,350
oh you know the materials there yeah

2087
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:36,830
it's it's it's amazing and and you know

2088
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:39,260
James is one of the few people in

2089
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:42,530
America who was invited recently to go

2090
01:31:51,490 --> 01:31:48,290
to China and and to to film amazing

2091
01:31:55,090 --> 01:31:51,500
interviews and get to get footage of UFO

2092
01:31:59,610 --> 01:31:55,100
activity in China and and our technical

2093
01:32:03,250 --> 01:31:59,620
adviser on the film who is jacques of LA

2094
01:32:05,410 --> 01:32:03,260
was very anxious for James to go to

2095
01:32:06,700 --> 01:32:05,420
China because Jacques would say to us we

2096
01:32:09,310 --> 01:32:06,710
don't really know anything of what's

2097
01:32:12,220 --> 01:32:09,320
going on coming out of China and James

2098
01:32:14,110 --> 01:32:12,230
went out there with his sister Kelly and

2099
01:32:14,410 --> 01:32:14,120
and its cameraman David they were out

2100
01:32:16,419 --> 01:32:14,420
there

2101
01:32:20,260 --> 01:32:16,429
little over two weeks and came back with

2102
01:32:22,930 --> 01:32:20,270
amazing stuff and and and stuff that no

2103
01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:22,940
one has seen before and you know just

2104
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:25,070
getting through the translation process

2105
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:28,730
is also a challenge Wow yeah no I ending

2106
01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:29,840
is always hard but then you got to edit

2107
01:32:38,410 --> 01:32:35,120
in Chinese like really Wow amazing you

2108
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,420
know but no it's go ahead I was just

2109
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:40,400
gonna say it's just you know we got to

2110
01:32:43,900 --> 01:32:42,410
China I knew very little to nothing I

2111
01:32:46,270 --> 01:32:43,910
mean I saw a few things on the internet

2112
01:32:47,950 --> 01:32:46,280
and last 5-10 years but for the most

2113
01:32:49,810 --> 01:32:47,960
part I do nothing about UFOs in China

2114
01:32:53,290 --> 01:32:49,820
there was then I found out there was

2115
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:53,300
this amazing landing case just like Rua

2116
01:33:01,450 --> 01:32:57,520
the world as many witnesses Moon Jaguar

2117
01:33:05,020 --> 01:33:01,460
1994 same year in Africa 1994 landing

2118
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:05,030
case in China everyone in the the

2119
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:08,690
Chinese you UFO the organization the UFO

2120
01:33:13,180 --> 01:33:10,850
organization that we connected with was

2121
01:33:14,979 --> 01:33:13,190
officially recognized and registered

2122
01:33:17,260 --> 01:33:14,989
with the Chinese government which is

2123
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:17,270
sort of a tacit way of them saying you

2124
01:33:24,370 --> 01:33:21,110
know we we support this research they

2125
01:33:27,550 --> 01:33:24,380
had a monument that must have cost over

2126
01:33:29,919 --> 01:33:27,560
10 million dollars stunningly beautiful

2127
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:29,929
monument of a flying saucer overlooking

2128
01:33:33,370 --> 01:33:30,770
this whole city

2129
01:33:35,290 --> 01:33:33,380
yeah not just a rinky-dink little this

2130
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:35,300
is a substantial thing you can climb up

2131
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:38,449
into and spiral staircases and I mean

2132
01:33:42,910 --> 01:33:41,330
it's stunningly beautiful like you know

2133
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:42,920
who would have thought you know what I

2134
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:45,290
mean Wow witnesses all over anyway so

2135
01:33:49,870 --> 01:33:47,210
that was really nice we conducted an

2136
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:49,880
interview on the Great Wall of China how

2137
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:50,570
cool is that

2138
01:33:55,540 --> 01:33:53,690
isn't that amazing yeah it's beautiful

2139
01:33:57,700 --> 01:33:55,550
and all beautifully sought it's gonna be

2140
01:33:59,020 --> 01:33:57,710
so excited I flew my drone in China we

2141
01:34:01,240 --> 01:33:59,030
actually went around with a Chinese

2142
01:34:02,530 --> 01:34:01,250
general because you can't fly Jordan

2143
01:34:07,300 --> 01:34:02,540
China man you have to get a permit you

2144
01:34:10,180 --> 01:34:07,310
gotta fail no joke that people said me

2145
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:10,190
no no no no you are not think about it

2146
01:34:15,939 --> 01:34:13,370
like Beijing but but we had a general

2147
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:15,949
with us and he literally was like you

2148
01:34:21,310 --> 01:34:17,570
got my thought you go ahead and fly that

2149
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:21,320
thing up like okay like no they got all

2150
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:23,210
this great footage in China with my

2151
01:34:25,540 --> 01:34:23,810
drone

2152
01:34:29,470 --> 01:34:25,550
so that's all gonna be included in the

2153
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:29,480
film as well so Wow give me very very

2154
01:34:36,970 --> 01:34:31,910
you know South America and Australia and

2155
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:36,980
China and Africa and yeah speaking of

2156
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:40,250
Australia James that's a I find that a

2157
01:34:47,230 --> 01:34:43,250
country with only 26 million people that

2158
01:34:48,820 --> 01:34:47,240
they are the third most you know the

2159
01:34:52,180 --> 01:34:48,830
largest audience that I have for this

2160
01:34:56,430 --> 01:34:52,190
show is there a lot going on there that

2161
01:35:01,930 --> 01:34:56,440
you're aware of in Australia well Jo

2162
01:35:04,810 --> 01:35:01,940
what's fascinating was that there was a

2163
01:35:07,230 --> 01:35:04,820
landing case that happened in 1966 in

2164
01:35:10,150 --> 01:35:07,240
fact it was in April I think April 4th

2165
01:35:11,770 --> 01:35:10,160
1966 April 4th April 5th but it was

2166
01:35:14,170 --> 01:35:11,780
right after we had the congressional

2167
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:14,180
hearings in the United States right that

2168
01:35:18,430 --> 01:35:16,490
symposium I mean literally like I don't

2169
01:35:21,490 --> 01:35:18,440
know I'm trying to do the math but it's

2170
01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:21,500
like 15 or 16 hours after that event

2171
01:35:26,050 --> 01:35:23,390
happened International at the in

2172
01:35:28,420 --> 01:35:26,060
Washington DC there's a landing in West

2173
01:35:31,660 --> 01:35:28,430
Hall which is just outside of Melbourne

2174
01:35:34,090 --> 01:35:31,670
a suburb of Melbourne out west all

2175
01:35:35,950 --> 01:35:34,100
primary school which is I think ages up

2176
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:35,960
to 13 14 years old and there were

2177
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:41,810
roughly 250 250 schoolchildren in broad

2178
01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:43,970
daylight that watched a flying saucer

2179
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,450
and maybe more than one flying saucer

2180
01:35:50,380 --> 01:35:48,560
whizzed around in the sky above the

2181
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:50,390
school then go down behind some trees

2182
01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:55,280
and land right and it's like in a case

2183
01:36:00,040 --> 01:35:59,210
how I'm sorry I said what a case that is

2184
01:36:02,290 --> 01:36:00,050
yes

2185
01:36:03,580 --> 01:36:02,300
what an amazing case you know we went

2186
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,590
and met up with a lot of this a lot of

2187
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:05,360
the witnesses we met with the with some

2188
01:36:09,220 --> 01:36:06,770
of the witnesses to jump the school

2189
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:09,230
fence during you know recess time and

2190
01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:12,170
ran over to where this thing was landed

2191
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:13,580
and saw it sitting on the ground and

2192
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:15,410
came within 10 feet of it or 8 feet of

2193
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:19,520
it I mean it's just remarkable stuff you

2194
01:36:24,370 --> 01:36:22,790
know quite similar in many respects is

2195
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:24,380
the case that happened in rural Zimbabwe

2196
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:28,730
in 94 but we only had one account of

2197
01:36:34,180 --> 01:36:30,530
potentially something that was seen to

2198
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:34,190
that we came in kind of late see III for

2199
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:36,050
the most part as far as we know it's not

2200
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:37,730
it was just a close encounter of the

2201
01:36:41,860 --> 01:36:40,730
second kind but it did land now there

2202
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:41,870
was a there was a

2203
01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:44,810
that a teacher had taken some pictures

2204
01:36:53,410 --> 01:36:48,640
and the camera was confiscated is that

2205
01:36:57,070 --> 01:36:53,420
did you find out - don't ya they even

2206
01:36:59,230 --> 01:36:57,080
mentioned her name I didn't include it

2207
01:37:01,150 --> 01:36:59,240
in the in the cut because you know it's

2208
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:01,160
just a rumor but the student said yeah

2209
01:37:04,450 --> 01:37:02,690
mrs. Baba blah

2210
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:04,460
grab the camera and ran out and snapped

2211
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:06,080
off some pictures but the military

2212
01:37:12,340 --> 01:37:08,320
arrived at the school moments after and

2213
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:12,350
cordoned off the landing area told the

2214
01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:16,610
media to go to stop filming so how they

2215
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:19,070
told the principal to tell the students

2216
01:37:22,810 --> 01:37:20,510
not to talk about it as if it never

2217
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,820
happened they're all threatened the

2218
01:37:27,190 --> 01:37:24,320
teacher who was a witness

2219
01:37:28,570 --> 01:37:27,200
I hadn't spoke in 50 years and we we

2220
01:37:30,490 --> 01:37:28,580
managed to get and me have a meeting

2221
01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:30,500
with him and then he went on the record

2222
01:37:35,380 --> 01:37:33,620
and told us why he didn't talk to the

2223
01:37:38,530 --> 01:37:35,390
last 50 years this is incredible

2224
01:37:41,260 --> 01:37:38,540
incredible stuff that's just one piece

2225
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:41,270
of the puzzle you know yeah yeah it's

2226
01:37:46,510 --> 01:37:43,370
one of the one of the great ones so I

2227
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:46,520
did speak to Shane down there about that

2228
01:37:54,970 --> 01:37:50,810
case just can't recall his last name but

2229
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:54,980
Jane Ryan that's him yes a nice guy yeah

2230
01:37:59,620 --> 01:37:57,890
yeah oh my god those guys were so

2231
01:38:00,400 --> 01:37:59,630
helpful I could never have done any of

2232
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:00,410
it without them

2233
01:38:08,170 --> 01:38:05,090
yeah and why am i James Rigney Shane

2234
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:08,180
Ryan and then a lot of a lot of the

2235
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:10,490
witnesses yeah it was it was a wonderful

2236
01:38:15,790 --> 01:38:13,730
wonderful trip getting back tonight and

2237
01:38:23,770 --> 01:38:15,800
I and I and I I ain't a Vegemite

2238
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,780
sandwich do just thought that was part

2239
01:38:30,190 --> 01:38:25,040
of a segment I didn't know that really

2240
01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:30,200
existed yeah no I did yeah how about

2241
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:32,230
that

2242
01:38:38,620 --> 01:38:35,690
getting back to China because I know

2243
01:38:41,260 --> 01:38:38,630
myself I know so little about what is

2244
01:38:43,330 --> 01:38:41,270
going on I was in touch with a professor

2245
01:38:45,220 --> 01:38:43,340
over there that was trying to fill me

2246
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:45,230
into some interesting on some

2247
01:38:50,740 --> 01:38:48,110
interesting cases but but you never hear

2248
01:38:53,070 --> 01:38:50,750
about anything in general it sounds like

2249
01:38:54,979 --> 01:38:53,080
they're they take the UFO topic on a

2250
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:54,989
serious note

2251
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:57,090
and I'm kind of surprised at that do you

2252
01:39:01,190 --> 01:38:59,070
think that's nationally or do you think

2253
01:39:03,410 --> 01:39:01,200
that's just regionally you said you were

2254
01:39:10,459 --> 01:39:03,420
in Beijing do you think it's a for the

2255
01:39:13,220 --> 01:39:10,469
most part regional or what no well you

2256
01:39:15,170 --> 01:39:13,230
know it's it's difficult communicating

2257
01:39:19,190 --> 01:39:15,180
when I when I was there there were lots

2258
01:39:22,700 --> 01:39:19,200
of you know one of the social media

2259
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:22,710
platforms were not available in China so

2260
01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:24,210
that could have one reason and things

2261
01:39:29,570 --> 01:39:27,000
are tainted Gangji now but but you know

2262
01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:29,580
I couldn't check emails and no Google no

2263
01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:32,100
Google searches no Facebook no you know

2264
01:39:36,650 --> 01:39:34,710
none of those normal social media

2265
01:39:39,950 --> 01:39:36,660
platforms that we utilize everywhere

2266
01:39:43,700 --> 01:39:39,960
else and so that certainly could be one

2267
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:43,710
thing but I mean we flew all across

2268
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:46,170
China lots of different areas of China

2269
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:49,890
we took trains and planes and and I was

2270
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:53,250
amazed at how prolific the unifor

2271
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:55,410
organization was and how widespread it

2272
01:39:58,520 --> 01:39:57,330
was and meeting all the meeting

2273
01:40:00,590 --> 01:39:58,530
witnesses in different parts of the

2274
01:40:02,630 --> 01:40:00,600
country and their willingness to hope

2275
01:40:05,959 --> 01:40:02,640
talk openly about it and it didn't seem

2276
01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:05,969
to be any at all any effort from the

2277
01:40:10,220 --> 01:40:08,940
government to about any of that down in

2278
01:40:14,990 --> 01:40:10,230
fact what I was telling you earlier that

2279
01:40:17,390 --> 01:40:15,000
the organization that that that they

2280
01:40:19,790 --> 01:40:17,400
sponsor doesn't open their doors for us

2281
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,800
was officially recognized by the Chinese

2282
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:21,840
government and so that because when I

2283
01:40:25,130 --> 01:40:23,250
asked the question like well does the

2284
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:25,140
government deny and they said they said

2285
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:29,370
the government doesn't doesn't deny but

2286
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:32,310
doesn't really confirm either but the

2287
01:40:39,260 --> 01:40:36,480
fact that they put a legitimate stamp on

2288
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:39,270
our of recognition on our organization

2289
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:41,730
that sort of attached it yes you know we

2290
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:44,610
we support this this nature this

2291
01:40:50,300 --> 01:40:48,300
research thanks i also want to say that

2292
01:40:53,209 --> 01:40:50,310
maybe some of you or all of you remember

2293
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:53,219
just a few years ago i wrote some

2294
01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:55,610
stories for the huffington post about

2295
01:41:03,140 --> 01:41:00,600
there were sightings in china of strange

2296
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,150
objects that caused a couple of airports

2297
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:04,960
to shut down

2298
01:41:08,879 --> 01:41:07,330
and oh yeah you know if you remember

2299
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:08,889
that I remember when you wrote that yes

2300
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:11,650
and and and it wasn't just one Airport

2301
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:14,080
they there were some regional airports

2302
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:16,150
where something was seen over like the

2303
01:41:20,419 --> 01:41:17,530
end of one runway and they actually

2304
01:41:24,780 --> 01:41:20,429
stopped air traffic for a while until

2305
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:24,790
there was no object there and stories

2306
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:27,010
came out could have been like you know

2307
01:41:31,260 --> 01:41:29,290
the re-entry of a rocket into the

2308
01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:31,270
atmosphere and and this stuff was all

2309
01:41:37,050 --> 01:41:33,190
over the news and so we had we had

2310
01:41:39,209 --> 01:41:37,060
plenty of footage to show in in in

2311
01:41:41,459 --> 01:41:39,219
articles and on the the six o'clock news

2312
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:41,469
but for a short period of time

2313
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:45,489
China UFOs were in the news and nobody

2314
01:41:51,870 --> 01:41:48,250
seemed to be laughing about it is what I

2315
01:41:53,970 --> 01:41:51,880
noticed at the time hmm I think I think

2316
01:41:58,260 --> 01:41:53,980
we are in an era that there's going to

2317
01:41:58,770 --> 01:41:58,270
be less laughing at it yeah at least I

2318
01:42:03,030 --> 01:41:58,780
hope so

2319
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:03,040
I feel myself just personally I feel not

2320
01:42:08,820 --> 01:42:06,310
so guarded and I have to attribute that

2321
01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:08,830
to you know what happened with the New

2322
01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:12,190
York Times article coming out and and of

2323
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:14,590
course that that roots from you know Tom

2324
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:17,679
DeLonge a lot of people you know don't

2325
01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:19,090
want to hear that or don't want to talk

2326
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,550
about it but he he actually did some

2327
01:42:25,649 --> 01:42:23,920
groundwork that made that happen you

2328
01:42:29,820 --> 01:42:25,659
know we have to we have to acknowledge

2329
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:29,830
that I Lee I know you had a you and I

2330
01:42:34,260 --> 01:42:32,290
were talking about that a while ago like

2331
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:34,270
not much seems to be happening I don't

2332
01:42:39,450 --> 01:42:36,190
know if you want to talk about any that

2333
01:42:41,729 --> 01:42:39,460
or well I mean I'm not on the inside of

2334
01:42:46,649 --> 01:42:41,739
that whole group the to the Stars

2335
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:46,659
Academy I like many other interested

2336
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:50,050
citizens I've been waiting for this

2337
01:42:55,169 --> 01:42:52,449
group to come out with with something

2338
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:55,179
some kind of a payoff more information

2339
01:43:00,090 --> 01:42:57,370
give us some guidelines what else have

2340
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:00,100
you discovered is the Pentagon really

2341
01:43:05,250 --> 01:43:02,530
going to release more more footage of

2342
01:43:07,410 --> 01:43:05,260
things but it seems to be almost like

2343
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:07,420
we're at the we're in the calm before

2344
01:43:11,729 --> 01:43:08,170
the storm

2345
01:43:15,660 --> 01:43:11,739
I'm waiting as I've spent so many years

2346
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:15,670
waiting for follow-up information and

2347
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:17,590
and in

2348
01:43:22,530 --> 01:43:20,230
past historically it's turned out that

2349
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:22,540
there hasn't been follow-up information

2350
01:43:27,450 --> 01:43:25,330
I hope that's not the case with DeLong's

2351
01:43:29,700 --> 01:43:27,460
group it's a very interesting group of

2352
01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:29,710
people of a former military and

2353
01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:33,880
intelligence organization people and I

2354
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:36,310
would really like to see something I

2355
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:39,040
don't feel like I don't feel like James

2356
01:43:45,359 --> 01:43:41,250
and I are in any kind of competition

2357
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,369
with with people like that I want all of

2358
01:43:50,129 --> 01:43:47,199
this information whatever the

2359
01:43:52,939 --> 01:43:50,139
information is going to be to come out

2360
01:43:57,300 --> 01:43:52,949
or at least as much of the information

2361
01:44:00,359 --> 01:43:57,310
that we can handle and that's another

2362
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:00,369
factor in this whole disclosure how much

2363
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:04,000
of the truth the so-called truth can the

2364
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,720
back some of these statements yeah

2365
01:44:16,169 --> 01:44:14,320
there's been there's been a lot of

2366
01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:16,179
dialogue on the internet with regard to

2367
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:22,360
the Pentagon program but I think it's

2368
01:44:27,780 --> 01:44:24,369
lost in the discussion people get mired

2369
01:44:29,550 --> 01:44:27,790
into details like well the f-18 you know

2370
01:44:31,709 --> 01:44:29,560
it was at this location but the audio

2371
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:31,719
doesn't correlate with that yeah people

2372
01:44:37,410 --> 01:44:35,170
get put down yes yeah we get bogged down

2373
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:37,420
in the details I'm kind of a big picture

2374
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:38,770
kind of guy that's how I always kind of

2375
01:44:42,180 --> 01:44:40,570
talk about myself with regard to the UFO

2376
01:44:43,979 --> 01:44:42,190
subject I'm looking for patterns in the

2377
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:43,989
data I also like asking certain

2378
01:44:49,050 --> 01:44:47,050
hardening questions let's just quick all

2379
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,060
the details off to the side for a moment

2380
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:50,800
the one question I don't often hear

2381
01:44:58,770 --> 01:44:55,690
asked by UFO researchers is why now we

2382
01:45:00,660 --> 01:44:58,780
have decades-long denial of this subject

2383
01:45:02,729 --> 01:45:00,670
there's nothing to this subject it's not

2384
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:02,739
a threat to national security the Air

2385
01:45:07,379 --> 01:45:05,440
Force project Bluebook had their party

2386
01:45:09,570 --> 01:45:07,389
line right there's nothing to this we're

2387
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:09,580
investigating it we found nothing that

2388
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:12,010
indicates technological advancement or

2389
01:45:17,399 --> 01:45:14,280
technology beyond our state of the art

2390
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:17,409
and not just the United States all world

2391
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:19,510
governments all world military have

2392
01:45:23,339 --> 01:45:21,610
consistently denied that there's

2393
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:23,349
anything to this yet they continue to

2394
01:45:26,339 --> 01:45:24,880
investigate it which is an interesting

2395
01:45:29,459 --> 01:45:26,349
contradiction but that's for another

2396
01:45:31,740 --> 01:45:29,469
discussion but my question is with

2397
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:31,750
military with Intel

2398
01:45:38,010 --> 01:45:34,090
with politics you always have to

2399
01:45:39,890 --> 01:45:38,020
question the timing no it was spam 301

2400
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:39,900
Stan no we've been asked that question

2401
01:45:45,149 --> 01:45:42,639
yeah well and that doesn't surprise me

2402
01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:45,159
because of course since he's asking

2403
01:45:49,799 --> 01:45:48,190
insightful questions I love Stan but you

2404
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:49,809
know I don't think we asked it enough

2405
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:52,510
though we get mired in the details why

2406
01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:55,449
are they releasing this now that is the

2407
01:45:59,100 --> 01:45:57,250
fundament and you can say Tom DeLonge

2408
01:46:00,660 --> 01:45:59,110
was instrumental in that but just

2409
01:46:02,549 --> 01:46:00,670
because he wanted it doesn't mean they

2410
01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:02,559
had to release it I'm gonna break could

2411
01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:04,540
they could have sat on this material for

2412
01:46:07,979 --> 01:46:05,980
decades and we wouldn't have known about

2413
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:07,989
it so I think we have to ask the

2414
01:46:13,379 --> 01:46:10,840
fundamental question to what end - what

2415
01:46:14,669 --> 01:46:13,389
agenda does it serve them because let's

2416
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:14,679
be honest any military or government

2417
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:16,540
they only do things to serve their best

2418
01:46:20,910 --> 01:46:18,610
interests typically why are they

2419
01:46:22,290 --> 01:46:20,920
releasing this information now and I

2420
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:22,300
don't have the answer but I think we

2421
01:46:26,339 --> 01:46:24,010
need to start asking that question more

2422
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:26,349
within these UFO discussions and forums

2423
01:46:33,780 --> 01:46:29,170
I think that's an excellent question do

2424
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:33,790
any of you have a point on that I would

2425
01:46:39,299 --> 01:46:36,159
I was gonna say that one possible reason

2426
01:46:42,660 --> 01:46:39,309
for why now is is maybe this is a good

2427
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:42,670
point in terms of history where the

2428
01:46:47,580 --> 01:46:45,130
government just our government it's kind

2429
01:46:50,129 --> 01:46:47,590
of testing the waters with his citizens

2430
01:46:52,049 --> 01:46:50,139
let's let's kind of release a little bit

2431
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:52,059
of information and see how the public

2432
01:46:57,870 --> 01:46:54,610
reacts let's see how the media reacts

2433
01:46:59,729 --> 01:46:57,880
will the media continue to drop any UFO

2434
01:47:02,069 --> 01:46:59,739
stories all the way at the bottom of the

2435
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:02,079
11 o'clock news you know eff after the

2436
01:47:05,850 --> 01:47:03,040
weather and sports

2437
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:05,860
well that that whole September the whole

2438
01:47:11,939 --> 01:47:08,770
December Pentagon story was raised a lot

2439
01:47:14,609 --> 01:47:11,949
higher up than the sports and the

2440
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:14,619
weather and that was an interesting test

2441
01:47:20,879 --> 01:47:17,920
I thought that that a lot of meteor was

2442
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:20,889
was paying attention James Fox was one

2443
01:47:27,959 --> 01:47:25,170
of several really interesting media

2444
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:27,969
personalities who went on places like

2445
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:31,840
CNBC CNN James did a great interview on

2446
01:47:38,729 --> 01:47:36,639
C on CNN and I I think James was out on

2447
01:47:39,959 --> 01:47:38,739
that interview where when they asked you

2448
01:47:41,549 --> 01:47:39,969
what where you thought some of these

2449
01:47:42,510 --> 01:47:41,559
things were coming from and I know you

2450
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:42,520
don't like to actually say

2451
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:44,050
extraterrestrials but at one point

2452
01:47:46,770 --> 01:47:45,129
during the interview

2453
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:46,780
you said well sometimes your your only

2454
01:47:51,599 --> 01:47:49,119
kind of left with this possibility yeah

2455
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:51,609
yeah right he's pointing up for those of

2456
01:48:02,250 --> 01:47:55,840
you voiceless and I pray yes funny

2457
01:48:04,259 --> 01:48:02,260
because I remember sitting in a room

2458
01:48:07,020 --> 01:48:04,269
with a government official pretty

2459
01:48:09,629 --> 01:48:07,030
high-level government official saying

2460
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:09,639
you know the government should just come

2461
01:48:12,509 --> 01:48:11,050
out and they should just do this and

2462
01:48:14,839 --> 01:48:12,519
they stood I said wait a minute

2463
01:48:17,369 --> 01:48:14,849
I said you are the government you were

2464
01:48:20,959 --> 01:48:17,379
government so what are you talking about

2465
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:20,969
who you're talking about well you know

2466
01:48:26,069 --> 01:48:23,289
candidates are kind of kept as a loop

2467
01:48:28,469 --> 01:48:26,079
and I guess what I'm referring to is the

2468
01:48:29,849 --> 01:48:28,479
intelligence agencies so that apparently

2469
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,859
one of the things I'm going to always

2470
01:48:34,379 --> 01:48:31,840
sort of suspected this but the

2471
01:48:36,959 --> 01:48:34,389
intelligence agencies can decide on

2472
01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:36,969
what's release and what's not release so

2473
01:48:39,239 --> 01:48:38,409
even if the president tries to get

2474
01:48:40,409 --> 01:48:39,249
something released it doesn't

2475
01:48:41,849 --> 01:48:40,419
necessarily mean that he's gonna have

2476
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:41,859
access to it because they just hide it

2477
01:48:48,569 --> 01:48:46,449
from them so when we're talking about

2478
01:48:51,389 --> 01:48:48,579
this recent revelation on the Pentagon

2479
01:48:53,849 --> 01:48:51,399
UFO program which point honestly my

2480
01:48:56,429 --> 01:48:53,859
personal belief is it's one of many it

2481
01:48:58,199 --> 01:48:56,439
just happened to get revealed and

2482
01:48:59,849 --> 01:48:58,209
everyone's always said these huge

2483
01:49:01,290 --> 01:48:59,859
agencies are very compartmentalized and

2484
01:49:04,319 --> 01:49:01,300
they compete we want to know that sort

2485
01:49:08,129 --> 01:49:04,329
of thing but if you have anomalous

2486
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:08,139
objects whizzing around in the air space

2487
01:49:15,899 --> 01:49:11,409
right and you scramble jets to intercept

2488
01:49:18,899 --> 01:49:15,909
and you're unable to do so that would be

2489
01:49:21,299 --> 01:49:18,909
an issue of national security right yeah

2490
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:21,309
so one of these guys said to me yeah so

2491
01:49:27,869 --> 01:49:25,840
III guess there must be a secrecy clause

2492
01:49:29,489 --> 01:49:27,879
somewhere in these agencies that if it

2493
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:29,499
affects national security it won't see

2494
01:49:40,529 --> 01:49:36,449
the light of day right and so I remember

2495
01:49:43,609 --> 01:49:40,539
talking about some of these video clips

2496
01:49:45,599 --> 01:49:43,619
from the f-18 so I guess the cockpit

2497
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:45,609
cameras they were having when they were

2498
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:49,599
chasing these UFOs and I thought gosh

2499
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:52,090
you know these pilots are talking about

2500
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:55,449
these objects performing maneuvers that

2501
01:49:59,410 --> 01:49:56,960
just you know

2502
01:50:02,440 --> 01:49:59,420
making a joke out of their f-18 where

2503
01:50:06,220 --> 01:50:02,450
those maneuvers it's like well those

2504
01:50:08,050 --> 01:50:06,230
were extracted from the release because

2505
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:08,060
they exhibit flight characteristics that

2506
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:10,490
are beyond there are an issue of

2507
01:50:13,540 --> 01:50:12,110
national security isn't that kind of

2508
01:50:14,980 --> 01:50:13,550
funny like you know basically

2509
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:14,990
demonstrating that there are objects

2510
01:50:20,260 --> 01:50:16,760
that fly rings around our fastest planes

2511
01:50:24,430 --> 01:50:20,270
right that can't be really so you know

2512
01:50:26,590 --> 01:50:24,440
they seem to be I don't know I I and I

2513
01:50:28,420 --> 01:50:26,600
don't know what agency would have

2514
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,430
authorized the release of that

2515
01:50:32,350 --> 01:50:30,080
information that ended up on the front

2516
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:32,360
page of the New York Times was it the

2517
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:35,840
CIA was it the DIA was a PSA like we

2518
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:40,400
wondered Wow yeah listen we only have a

2519
01:50:44,230 --> 01:50:42,290
few minutes left and I'm going to ask if

2520
01:50:47,290 --> 01:50:44,240
you gentlemen don't mind hanging on

2521
01:50:49,690 --> 01:50:47,300
afterwards after I close the show just

2522
01:50:53,140 --> 01:50:49,700
for a minute

2523
01:50:55,140 --> 01:50:53,150
because there's some questions that are

2524
01:50:57,550 --> 01:50:55,150
have come in that I'd like to answer

2525
01:50:59,550 --> 01:50:57,560
with people if that's okay just like a

2526
01:51:02,470 --> 01:50:59,560
few minutes after if that's all right

2527
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:02,480
so I'm good with that I'm good yeah we

2528
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:04,850
have a we have like less than five

2529
01:51:10,930 --> 01:51:07,130
minutes left someone in the chat room

2530
01:51:14,830 --> 01:51:10,940
just asks if if there was any credible

2531
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:14,840
evidence to the gate c-17 the Chicago

2532
01:51:21,190 --> 01:51:18,650
O'Hare incident back in 2006 that's what

2533
01:51:25,660 --> 01:51:21,200
I'm recalling so I don't know if anyone

2534
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:25,670
wants to take that in particular I I

2535
01:51:31,780 --> 01:51:28,250
don't know all of the exact details of

2536
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:31,790
that case but I have never read or heard

2537
01:51:39,670 --> 01:51:35,570
any hard-nosed skeptics or debunkers

2538
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:39,680
come up with a real logical workable

2539
01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:42,050
explanation of what a lot of people saw

2540
01:51:47,260 --> 01:51:44,590
that day over O'Hare Airport with this

2541
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:47,270
saucer-shaped thing it was it was like

2542
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,930
underneath a very cloudy sky and then a

2543
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:53,360
very in front of a lot of people it just

2544
01:51:58,630 --> 01:51:55,690
went straight up and it punched a hole

2545
01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:58,640
through the clouds and and when the

2546
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:01,040
object was gone the hole was still there

2547
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:05,330
I mean do we have anything that can do

2548
01:52:14,530 --> 01:52:09,050
that you guys I was

2549
01:52:16,750 --> 01:52:14,540
it was 2008 January and I was in Arizona

2550
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:16,760
I was a I was in I was in Arizona

2551
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:19,010
Phoenix and I was doing some follow-up

2552
01:52:22,570 --> 01:52:20,960
interviews for what I thought the time

2553
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,580
was gonna be a rerelease about the blue

2554
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:24,320
turned out to morph into I know what I

2555
01:52:30,130 --> 01:52:27,920
saw and I get a phone call from CNN and

2556
01:52:33,850 --> 01:52:30,140
they're like and in fact we had taken to

2557
01:52:36,130 --> 01:52:33,860
go to O'Hare Airport and and see what we

2558
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:36,140
could we could turn up from that

2559
01:52:40,540 --> 01:52:38,210
incident cuz it just happened in 2006 I

2560
01:52:42,190 --> 01:52:40,550
was like the only only 2 years and I was

2561
01:52:45,190 --> 01:52:42,200
in touch with a couple of United

2562
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:45,200
Airlines personnel and I was actually

2563
01:52:51,550 --> 01:52:48,460
talking with them over the phone and and

2564
01:52:52,930 --> 01:52:51,560
they confirmed for me they all saw it is

2565
01:52:55,870 --> 01:52:52,940
they hovered there for quite some time

2566
01:52:56,980 --> 01:52:55,880
some one some pilot took photograph of

2567
01:53:00,100 --> 01:52:56,990
it I don't know what happened to that

2568
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:00,110
photograph but that these guys would not

2569
01:53:05,140 --> 01:53:02,330
come he said to me literally the guy

2570
01:53:07,210 --> 01:53:05,150
said if you if you can guarantee me that

2571
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:07,220
I'm not gonna lose my job or they cover

2572
01:53:12,190 --> 01:53:10,010
my my paycheck if I do lose my job the

2573
01:53:13,870 --> 01:53:12,200
only way I'm gonna come forward so that

2574
01:53:16,420 --> 01:53:13,880
you know the airline said unequivocally

2575
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:16,430
you talked about this probably you're

2576
01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:16,970
fired

2577
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:19,250
all right well let's let's address that

2578
01:53:26,650 --> 01:53:23,170
real quickly so how long does someone

2579
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:26,660
stay in the in the airline you know

2580
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:29,210
field they could they could drop out why

2581
01:53:33,670 --> 01:53:31,730
can't they talk about it you know if

2582
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:33,680
they're a waiter now or if they're you

2583
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:40,130
know cutting hair following up you know

2584
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:40,880
with these people

2585
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:43,520
look I I tracked down I'll never forget

2586
01:53:49,590 --> 01:53:44,570
this I actually learned a little

2587
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:49,600
Japanese I tracked down can do taraji Oh

2588
01:53:58,180 --> 01:53:53,330
was a pilot 1986 with in with the FAA

2589
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:01,420
yeah JL exactly thank you and I'll only

2590
01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:02,810
tell you National Press Club event if

2591
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,190
you can get the pilot to come and

2592
01:54:09,460 --> 01:54:06,560
testify as well well that was like 1986

2593
01:54:11,290 --> 01:54:09,470
this was 2008 I'm sorry 2007 I thought

2594
01:54:14,050 --> 01:54:11,300
well gosh that's was long enough time

2595
01:54:16,030 --> 01:54:14,060
well he'll kind of come forward so I I

2596
01:54:17,590 --> 01:54:16,040
hire a private investigator I get his

2597
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:17,600
phone number long story short get his

2598
01:54:21,610 --> 01:54:18,770
phone number I learn a little Japanese

2599
01:54:22,810 --> 01:54:21,620
so I can introduce myself I get his wife

2600
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:22,820
on the phone

2601
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:24,530
and I introduced myself in Japanese I

2602
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:27,260
they're all written down and she said no

2603
01:54:39,370 --> 01:54:35,330
talk about it oh well at least you

2604
01:54:42,180 --> 01:54:39,380
learned some Japanese yeah Wow

2605
01:54:44,740 --> 01:54:42,190
interesting I think we're really close

2606
01:54:49,810 --> 01:54:44,750
to the end of the show just to let you

2607
01:54:51,610 --> 01:54:49,820
know it's time to wrap so if you'd hang

2608
01:54:55,090 --> 01:54:51,620
on everyone

2609
01:54:56,890 --> 01:54:55,100
just hang in but I want to say goodbye

2610
01:55:00,060 --> 01:54:56,900
to our K GRA audience if you would

2611
01:55:03,550 --> 01:55:00,070
thanks so much for being on the show

2612
01:55:06,820 --> 01:55:03,560
thank you thank you thank you all right

2613
01:55:09,940 --> 01:55:06,830
so I'm just going to close out real

2614
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:09,950
quickly here all right so that's it for

2615
01:55:17,020 --> 01:55:14,630
for the show and for K GRA want to thank

2616
01:55:19,570 --> 01:55:17,030
you all for listening over there and the

2617
01:55:21,940 --> 01:55:19,580
next week we'll be back with we're going

2618
01:55:22,810 --> 01:55:21,950
to be back with a dr. Bob gross it

2619
01:55:25,570 --> 01:55:22,820
should be a great show

2620
01:55:28,540 --> 01:55:25,580
he's a very interesting guy and it's

2621
01:55:30,940 --> 01:55:28,550
been a great time I really have loved

2622
01:55:34,690 --> 01:55:30,950
the show so far it's been wonderful and

2623
01:55:38,020 --> 01:55:34,700
I guess so far it's the end so we are

2624
01:55:40,510 --> 01:55:38,030
closing now on K G RA and thanks again

2625
01:55:46,060 --> 01:55:40,520
and we'll be back next week remember to

2626
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:46,070
keep your eyes to the sky all right gang

2627
01:55:50,290 --> 01:55:46,880
we're clear

2628
01:55:58,380 --> 01:55:50,300
all right really good job all right hang

2629
01:56:06,220 --> 01:56:03,540
take care Blee James thank y'all so much

2630
01:56:10,479 --> 01:56:06,230
we're still live on on YouTube everyone

2631
01:56:12,340 --> 01:56:10,489
sorry about that clip playing I couldn't

2632
01:56:15,550 --> 01:56:12,350
I couldn't just stop this show producer

2633
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:15,560
so I just wanted to know real click it

2634
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:18,770
real quickly if anyone if you guys are

2635
01:56:22,570 --> 01:56:20,450
up for taking a call I mean we're still

2636
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,580
live on YouTube if you'd like to take a

2637
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:24,320
call let me know is that something you'd

2638
01:56:28,990 --> 01:56:28,250
be willing to do I'm oh sure yeah why

2639
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:29,000
not okay

2640
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:31,250
so anyone can call in right now if you

2641
01:56:37,180 --> 01:56:33,370
have a question for any of our guests

2642
01:56:41,050 --> 01:56:37,190
you can call in in that number six oh

2643
01:56:42,940 --> 01:56:41,060
three nine six seven four oh three oh we

2644
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:42,950
have to adjust the screens here with

2645
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:46,370
race dropping out so we can't get you up

2646
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:49,520
on video right now but I feel like it

2647
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:51,170
could talk like another three hours and

2648
01:56:59,010 --> 01:56:53,570
I know you especially James you are

2649
01:57:02,290 --> 01:56:59,020
really pressed to move on but is there

2650
01:57:05,530 --> 01:57:02,300
anything else you can tell us

2651
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:05,540
James any other particular story that's

2652
01:57:09,670 --> 01:57:07,730
included in this movie that just you

2653
01:57:11,709 --> 01:57:09,680
just learned more new information that

2654
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:11,719
you never knew about and was kind of

2655
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:13,610
blown away by it is there anything that

2656
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:18,410
comes to mind James are you still there

2657
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:26,239
I think oh I think I lost James all

2658
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:28,010
right well how about that

2659
01:57:34,660 --> 01:57:31,250
now I'll address you tell James please

2660
01:57:42,850 --> 01:57:34,670
do thank him solely I'll toss that over

2661
01:57:49,290 --> 01:57:42,860
to you Wow there there have been Mencia

2662
01:57:53,740 --> 01:57:49,300
question yes there have been a number of

2663
01:57:58,410 --> 01:57:53,750
instances where in the course of doing

2664
01:58:00,940 --> 01:57:58,420
an interview with someone very prominent

2665
01:58:03,010 --> 01:58:00,950
where the James and I would approach the

2666
01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:03,020
interview with specific questions that

2667
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:05,920
we we came prepared to ask

2668
01:58:10,770 --> 01:58:08,560
and because we kind of knew that there

2669
01:58:13,709 --> 01:58:10,780
were certain areas because in doing a

2670
01:58:15,149 --> 01:58:13,719
pre-interview it's always a good idea to

2671
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:15,159
talk to someone ahead of time and say

2672
01:58:19,470 --> 01:58:17,170
are there specific things that you would

2673
01:58:22,770 --> 01:58:19,480
rather not talk about so that there are

2674
01:58:24,689 --> 01:58:22,780
no there are no surprises so that the

2675
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:24,699
person doesn't feel put off and get

2676
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:27,760
nervous and and so I I don't like to

2677
01:58:31,709 --> 01:58:29,710
give away the questions that I'm going

2678
01:58:34,350 --> 01:58:31,719
to ask but I at least want the person to

2679
01:58:36,419 --> 01:58:34,360
always feel comfortable throughout the

2680
01:58:43,220 --> 01:58:36,429
interview yeah and there were a couple

2681
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:43,230
of interviews where neither James or I

2682
01:58:49,740 --> 01:58:48,370
had to ask a question that could have

2683
01:58:51,689 --> 01:58:49,750
been considered very controversial

2684
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:51,699
because the subject of the interview

2685
01:58:56,970 --> 01:58:54,610
brought it up themselves isn't that

2686
01:59:03,240 --> 01:58:56,980
great well I was like what what what did

2687
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:03,250
you just say what what and and in fact

2688
01:59:08,430 --> 01:59:05,110
one of the people and I won't I won't

2689
01:59:11,870 --> 01:59:08,440
say who it is yet but this person we

2690
01:59:14,340 --> 01:59:11,880
were interviewing and and he at first

2691
01:59:17,580 --> 01:59:14,350
didn't when we first approached him he

2692
01:59:21,780 --> 01:59:17,590
didn't want anything to do with being

2693
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:21,790
interviewed on camera at all until he

2694
01:59:29,010 --> 01:59:25,170
finally after a very delicate prodding

2695
01:59:32,729 --> 01:59:29,020
agreed to to talk about certain things

2696
01:59:35,580 --> 01:59:32,739
and James and I were were blown away

2697
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:35,590
where we sat with this individual for

2698
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:38,050
just under three hours for the interview

2699
01:59:42,630 --> 01:59:40,480
well and at one point during the

2700
01:59:46,530 --> 01:59:42,640
interview he held up a piece of paper

2701
01:59:49,229 --> 01:59:46,540
that was in his lap and he said I'm

2702
01:59:52,500 --> 01:59:49,239
going to show you something that I

2703
01:59:54,300 --> 01:59:52,510
wasn't going to do or plan on doing but

2704
01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:54,310
I feel like I should say something

2705
02:00:02,060 --> 01:59:57,250
this is what could be called a smoking

2706
02:00:06,990 --> 02:00:02,070
gun hmm and it was it was a previously

2707
02:00:10,020 --> 02:00:07,000
classified document that pretty much was

2708
02:00:11,700 --> 02:00:10,030
was written by high-ranking officials

2709
02:00:14,580 --> 02:00:11,710
and and they were trying to spell out

2710
02:00:16,830 --> 02:00:14,590
the current belief of UFOs and there

2711
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:16,840
been many documents like that when I say

2712
02:00:19,770 --> 02:00:19,090
there's been disclosure I have found

2713
02:00:23,700 --> 02:00:19,780
some of these

2714
02:00:27,060 --> 02:00:23,710
documents dr. J Allen Hynek gave me such

2715
02:00:30,030 --> 02:00:27,070
a document that we then included in our

2716
02:00:32,730 --> 02:00:30,040
packet of documents that we gave out to

2717
02:00:37,260 --> 02:00:32,740
all the nations of the world in 1978 and

2718
02:00:39,900 --> 02:00:37,270
to the media because he said I mean I I

2719
02:00:42,420 --> 02:00:39,910
said to him I was a I was at his office

2720
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:42,430
one day in the middle of 1978 while we

2721
02:00:48,210 --> 02:00:44,650
were still working on gathering

2722
02:00:50,970 --> 02:00:48,220
materials for the presentation in

2723
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:50,980
November and I said I said Alan you know

2724
02:00:57,060 --> 02:00:52,570
we've got some nice documents here that

2725
02:00:59,220 --> 02:00:57,070
go back to 1947 but do you head to him I

2726
02:01:00,900 --> 02:00:59,230
was very honest we were friends I said

2727
02:01:01,950 --> 02:01:00,910
look you were with the Air Force you

2728
02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:01,960
were their official scientific

2729
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:06,130
consultant for 20 years I have to

2730
02:01:11,940 --> 02:01:08,110
believe that you had access to some

2731
02:01:13,290 --> 02:01:11,950
filing cabinets and yeah that the kind

2732
02:01:17,180 --> 02:01:13,300
of filing cabinets that look like David

2733
02:01:21,750 --> 02:01:17,190
Mahler's filing cabinets oh by the way

2734
02:01:23,820 --> 02:01:21,760
David Lee told me to tell you that you

2735
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:23,830
know nothing about antiques you didn't

2736
02:01:28,020 --> 02:01:25,690
even know at the I mean nothing about

2737
02:01:29,370 --> 02:01:28,030
UFO so it's funny I said that nothing

2738
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:29,380
about UFOs as a matter of fact you

2739
02:01:34,110 --> 02:01:30,970
didn't even know what the acronym stood

2740
02:01:36,420 --> 02:01:34,120
for and if you want and if you want to

2741
02:01:39,450 --> 02:01:36,430
keep it you want to keep it straight

2742
02:01:41,190 --> 02:01:39,460
Martin I told David that you know

2743
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:41,200
nothing about antiques that's right

2744
02:01:56,250 --> 02:01:54,490
that's that's funny

2745
02:01:59,430 --> 02:01:56,260
I can't believe I slipped that up like

2746
02:02:03,480 --> 02:01:59,440
that too that's okay

2747
02:02:05,370 --> 02:02:03,490
someone wanted to know what and we're

2748
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:05,380
gonna take just a couple more minutes

2749
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:08,080
here so if anyone that wants to call in

2750
02:02:14,460 --> 02:02:10,000
they are welcome to call in the numbers

2751
02:02:16,740 --> 02:02:14,470
up on the screen on YouTube that Bambi

2752
02:02:19,950 --> 02:02:16,750
wanted to know what effect has Hollywood

2753
02:02:22,590 --> 02:02:19,960
had on the disclosure project in other

2754
02:02:24,510 --> 02:02:22,600
words since the articles come out I

2755
02:02:25,740 --> 02:02:24,520
guess that's what she means on the New

2756
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:25,750
York Times I haven't seen anything

2757
02:02:31,380 --> 02:02:27,610
really change that much

2758
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:31,390
or maybe she's wording it has that made

2759
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:33,280
any

2760
02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:35,770
I think maybe she's asking has Hollywood

2761
02:02:41,100 --> 02:02:39,160
helped as far as people looking into the

2762
02:02:43,250 --> 02:02:41,110
subject more I think that's maybe what

2763
02:02:45,690 --> 02:02:43,260
she's talking about I don't know if he

2764
02:02:47,550 --> 02:02:45,700
are we talking Hollywood is in motion

2765
02:02:48,990 --> 02:02:47,560
pictures yes yeah like Steven

2766
02:02:52,010 --> 02:02:49,000
Spielberg's work and things like that

2767
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:52,020
well it's not the third time I think I

2768
02:02:57,090 --> 02:02:55,570
think even before Close Encounters you

2769
02:03:00,410 --> 02:02:57,100
take a you take a picture like the

2770
02:03:05,730 --> 02:03:00,420
original The Day the Earth Stood Still

2771
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:05,740
which was a totally Cold War era picture

2772
02:03:11,550 --> 02:03:09,850
of a real flying saucer being tracked by

2773
02:03:13,740 --> 02:03:11,560
radar all around the world and it ends

2774
02:03:15,150 --> 02:03:13,750
up in Washington and landing right there

2775
02:03:19,710 --> 02:03:15,160
on the lawn in front of the Washington

2776
02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:19,720
Monument and and this humanoid walks out

2777
02:03:26,220 --> 02:03:23,260
with his robot companion and he only

2778
02:03:28,770 --> 02:03:26,230
wants to talk to you know the heads of

2779
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:28,780
every country and he goes to the whole

2780
02:03:34,770 --> 02:03:32,290
movie up against the the the political

2781
02:03:38,690 --> 02:03:34,780
resistance of anybody wanting to talk to

2782
02:03:41,670 --> 02:03:38,700
him and and and so nobody can arrange

2783
02:03:44,610 --> 02:03:41,680
the meeting that he wants and he ends up

2784
02:03:48,410 --> 02:03:44,620
going to the home of this famous top

2785
02:03:51,030 --> 02:03:48,420
scientists of the day and he and he says

2786
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:51,040
nobody in the if the heads of your

2787
02:03:57,330 --> 02:03:52,930
governments wants to hear what I have to

2788
02:03:59,280 --> 02:03:57,340
say do I have to do anything dramatic to

2789
02:04:02,820 --> 02:03:59,290
this planet to get you to listen to me

2790
02:04:04,710 --> 02:04:02,830
and and and he said well the scientists

2791
02:04:07,500 --> 02:04:04,720
said well what what do you mean by by

2792
02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:07,510
dramatic he said like my robot back

2793
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:09,490
there standing next to the saucer he has

2794
02:04:14,850 --> 02:04:11,410
the power to turn this world of yours

2795
02:04:17,670 --> 02:04:14,860
into a burned-out cinder and and the

2796
02:04:22,020 --> 02:04:17,680
scientist says such power exists and

2797
02:04:25,860 --> 02:04:22,030
Klaatu says trust me such power exists

2798
02:04:27,390 --> 02:04:25,870
and and so the scientist said well I I

2799
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:27,400
could arrange a meeting where all the

2800
02:04:31,410 --> 02:04:29,650
top scientists of the world to come

2801
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:31,420
together if that if that would be

2802
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:34,210
possible we wouldn't want you to hurt

2803
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:37,330
any people you know and he said can you

2804
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:38,290
guarantee that

2805
02:04:42,930 --> 02:04:40,090
Klaatu says well it's a it's an

2806
02:04:45,500 --> 02:04:42,940
interesting problem would Friday at

2807
02:04:47,930 --> 02:04:45,510
12:30 be good for you

2808
02:04:50,990 --> 02:04:47,940
hey we have someone that we have someone

2809
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:51,000
that just called in I think they can you

2810
02:04:56,030 --> 02:04:54,480
hear me call her I know you tried to

2811
02:04:57,290 --> 02:04:56,040
call her try to answer your call several

2812
02:05:00,620 --> 02:04:57,300
times I'm not sure what happened but

2813
02:05:01,550 --> 02:05:00,630
what's your first long week I see what's

2814
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:01,560
your first name and where are you

2815
02:05:10,630 --> 02:05:06,690
calling from welcome to the show you

2816
02:05:12,860 --> 02:05:10,640
have a question all right Dave burly

2817
02:05:18,140 --> 02:05:12,870
pardon me do you have a question for our

2818
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:18,150
guests well I have something to add if I

2819
02:05:24,500 --> 02:05:22,050
may Monica told me to phone in here or

2820
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:24,510
just on the YouTube live chat what I

2821
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:27,330
have to say is that I'm a real science

2822
02:05:30,830 --> 02:05:28,770
guy I have a degree in engineering I've

2823
02:05:33,110 --> 02:05:30,840
been studying science all my life I've

2824
02:05:36,020 --> 02:05:33,120
done science for a living okay and I

2825
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:36,030
give talks to interpret Sciences the

2826
02:05:38,840 --> 02:05:37,530
public and all the sort of thing and

2827
02:05:43,070 --> 02:05:38,850
what I have to say about science is that

2828
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:43,080
we don't know very much at all we humans

2829
02:05:50,810 --> 02:05:47,760
we really don't know very much and I've

2830
02:05:54,290 --> 02:05:50,820
had paranormal experiences myself I had

2831
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:54,300
one sighting of UFOs I've had a number

2832
02:06:00,170 --> 02:05:56,970
of other paranormal experiences that are

2833
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:00,180
beyond science out far outside of what I

2834
02:06:08,630 --> 02:06:04,400
know science to be okay yeah

2835
02:06:11,780 --> 02:06:08,640
yeah that's all just just the science

2836
02:06:14,090 --> 02:06:11,790
point of view is that we really don't

2837
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:14,100
know much our science is is is very

2838
02:06:20,660 --> 02:06:18,480
small very very small yeah well and when

2839
02:06:24,140 --> 02:06:20,670
you when you look back historically at

2840
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:24,150
at you know who discovered gravity who

2841
02:06:30,350 --> 02:06:27,270
discovered lightning who discovered you

2842
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:30,360
know all the all the great discoveries

2843
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:34,290
of science of flight happened during

2844
02:06:41,110 --> 02:06:38,880
times of history when there's no way

2845
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:41,120
that these people would have would have

2846
02:06:47,479 --> 02:06:45,450
would have survived being stoned by by

2847
02:06:48,650 --> 02:06:47,489
the population because they were they

2848
02:06:50,750 --> 02:06:48,660
were talking heresy

2849
02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:50,760
you can't talk to things to us about

2850
02:06:55,850 --> 02:06:53,520
things like that know that you we cannot

2851
02:06:59,060 --> 02:06:55,860
have machines that fly in the air and

2852
02:07:02,690 --> 02:06:59,070
yet historically Hugh

2853
02:07:04,970 --> 02:07:02,700
have been recording many instances of

2854
02:07:08,650 --> 02:07:04,980
things flying in the air that are

2855
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:08,660
machines so you can't have it both ways

2856
02:07:14,570 --> 02:07:12,000
yeah yeah yeah I agree yeah there's no

2857
02:07:17,870 --> 02:07:14,580
reason why we couldn't team gravity

2858
02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:17,880
someday our top physicists now are

2859
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:19,650
trying to figure out what is gravity

2860
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:22,650
they don't know another top my favorite

2861
02:07:27,170 --> 02:07:24,450
theoretical physicists right now is

2862
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:27,180
working on what is time we don't know

2863
02:07:34,100 --> 02:07:31,440
what time is yes it just seems to be a

2864
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:34,110
forward ratchet as far as we know it

2865
02:07:39,140 --> 02:07:37,010
ratchets forward and never goes back

2866
02:07:40,610 --> 02:07:39,150
yeah you know like and you break your

2867
02:07:45,550 --> 02:07:40,620
leg you wish you could take that last

2868
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:45,560
second back you know what one of my

2869
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:50,130
interviews that I did in the 1970s and

2870
02:07:56,420 --> 02:07:52,800
into the 80s with former astronaut

2871
02:07:59,570 --> 02:07:56,430
Gordon Cooper and I did an interview of

2872
02:08:03,800 --> 02:07:59,580
the month for Omni magazine back then

2873
02:08:08,900 --> 02:08:03,810
and we were discussing his interest in

2874
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:08,910
UFOs his experience with UFOs and and I

2875
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:10,800
said is there anything going on in

2876
02:08:15,020 --> 02:08:13,290
science that you and I haven't talked

2877
02:08:19,790 --> 02:08:15,030
about that you think would be of

2878
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:19,800
interest to me or to my readers and he

2879
02:08:26,750 --> 02:08:23,520
said well I've I have some scientific

2880
02:08:30,460 --> 02:08:26,760
friends who are right now again this was

2881
02:08:33,770 --> 02:08:30,470
1980 who are right now working on a

2882
02:08:36,980 --> 02:08:33,780
possible working model of a time machine

2883
02:08:41,390 --> 02:08:36,990
and oh you just got my attention Gordon

2884
02:08:44,450 --> 02:08:41,400
what time machine and what what exactly

2885
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,460
we're talking George pal HCL's

2886
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:47,040
sit in a chair and go into the future I

2887
02:08:52,660 --> 02:08:49,890
mean what are you talking about he said

2888
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:52,670
well yeah they think that theoretically

2889
02:08:57,530 --> 02:08:54,480
because we don't know that much about

2890
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:57,540
time and how it works time and space and

2891
02:09:03,170 --> 02:09:00,960
so they believe that there is a thing

2892
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:03,180
called and I never forgot this called

2893
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:06,210
orthogonal rotation something about how

2894
02:09:12,980 --> 02:09:10,170
if if a thing can somehow rotate in a

2895
02:09:17,540 --> 02:09:12,990
certain way at a certain velocity

2896
02:09:18,380 --> 02:09:17,550
that it can slip the bounds and go one

2897
02:09:21,380 --> 02:09:18,390
way or the other

2898
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:21,390
so I I said to him do they have a

2899
02:09:26,330 --> 02:09:23,520
working model yet your scientific

2900
02:09:28,340 --> 02:09:26,340
friends he said no but they're they feel

2901
02:09:32,240 --> 02:09:28,350
like they're getting closer and I said

2902
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:32,250
okay do they think that they can build

2903
02:09:36,890 --> 02:09:33,930
something that can go in either

2904
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:36,900
direction or both directions and he said

2905
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:40,170
no they don't really have that figured

2906
02:09:44,450 --> 02:09:42,450
out yet they don't think they'd say that

2907
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:44,460
if if somebody would be able to travel

2908
02:09:50,510 --> 02:09:47,010
through time they may only be able to go

2909
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:50,520
to the past or to the future so I I said

2910
02:09:57,290 --> 02:09:52,770
to him Gordon and he was a family man

2911
02:10:00,080 --> 02:09:57,300
Gordon who would be stupid enough to sit

2912
02:10:02,510 --> 02:10:00,090
in such a vehicle and take what could

2913
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:02,520
possibly be a one-way trip and he said

2914
02:10:10,130 --> 02:10:07,290
you're looking at him yeah whoa okay

2915
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:10,140
that got my attention like wow and I

2916
02:10:14,510 --> 02:10:11,610
said no now wait a minute

2917
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:14,520
Gordo I mean are you kidding you would

2918
02:10:20,540 --> 02:10:18,210
give up everything just to - for the the

2919
02:10:24,110 --> 02:10:20,550
challenge of it he said you don't forget

2920
02:10:26,780 --> 02:10:24,120
I'm one of the original group of the

2921
02:10:30,670 --> 02:10:26,790
right stuff where we would do anything

2922
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and many of us many of our friends died

2923
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:33,960
during flights of testing new aircraft

2924
02:10:40,430 --> 02:10:37,530
and earth systems and so and even today

2925
02:10:43,340 --> 02:10:40,440
modern modern jet fighter pilots today

2926
02:10:44,450 --> 02:10:43,350
will do almost anything to get to that

2927
02:10:46,820 --> 02:10:44,460
next level

2928
02:10:49,010 --> 02:10:46,830
he said yeah any one of us probably

2929
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would have taken the risk and at that

2930
02:10:53,450 --> 02:10:50,910
and that just blew me away so now that

2931
02:10:57,770 --> 02:10:53,460
was 1980 how many years ago was that

2932
02:11:00,140 --> 02:10:57,780
18 19 2010 was 30 40 years ago if these

2933
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:00,150
scientists had have still worked on it

2934
02:11:04,910 --> 02:11:02,090
over the last thirty years who knows

2935
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:04,920
what they can do now which is all

2936
02:11:10,460 --> 02:11:08,490
probably part of black budgets and and

2937
02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:10,470
the public will never know about it but

2938
02:11:15,380 --> 02:11:12,930
boy that just grabbed me

2939
02:11:18,670 --> 02:11:15,390
idle afield when he said yeah working

2940
02:11:23,570 --> 02:11:18,680
time machine why not well you know it's

2941
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:23,580
go ahead oh there's a top theoretical

2942
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:25,290
physicist named

2943
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:31,050
Smolin that le e capital s m oli and you

2944
02:11:36,650 --> 02:11:33,450
can search him he's the top guy working

2945
02:11:39,380 --> 02:11:36,660
on time right now and he says he says

2946
02:11:41,480 --> 02:11:39,390
I'm working on a new theory of time and

2947
02:11:42,020 --> 02:11:41,490
he's a really amazing guy I like him a

2948
02:11:45,790 --> 02:11:42,030
lot

2949
02:11:48,740 --> 02:11:45,800
Wow Lee Smolin I'll check him out

2950
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:48,750
thank you well hey thanks for the call I

2951
02:11:54,170 --> 02:11:51,090
think we probably we had someone saying

2952
02:11:57,740 --> 02:11:54,180
they were going to call from Europe but

2953
02:11:59,960 --> 02:11:57,750
dude I do appreciate the call and we are

2954
02:12:02,300 --> 02:11:59,970
just about ready to wrap up unless that

2955
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:02,310
call comes in within a minute gentlemen

2956
02:12:07,850 --> 02:12:05,010
it's been so much fun I've really had

2957
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:07,860
such a great night with you guys thank

2958
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:11,040
you when did when does the second hour

2959
02:12:18,290 --> 02:12:15,650
start now for us I guess

2960
02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:18,300
Martin I should have said this when we

2961
02:12:24,140 --> 02:12:21,270
were on KCRA but congratulations good

2962
02:12:26,780 --> 02:12:24,150
good job tonight on the premiere show oh

2963
02:12:29,480 --> 02:12:26,790
thank you oh geez I'm glad luckily I

2964
02:12:31,610 --> 02:12:29,490
have a Evan behind the scenes doing all

2965
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:31,620
the work on the youtubes so everything

2966
02:12:36,650 --> 02:12:34,170
seemed to work fine but uh I really do I

2967
02:12:38,450 --> 02:12:36,660
really had a great time and I wish I

2968
02:12:41,810 --> 02:12:38,460
could go another four hours but thanks

2969
02:12:43,460 --> 02:12:41,820
so much both of you thank you all right

2970
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:43,470
Oh does that mean we can actually hang

2971
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:50,490
up now yeah all right you take care all

2972
02:12:54,620 --> 02:12:52,410
right all right good night everyone

2973
02:12:58,070 --> 02:12:54,630
all right all right everyone so you

2974
02:12:59,930 --> 02:12:58,080
heard me do the outro earlier but that's

2975
02:13:02,210 --> 02:12:59,940
that's it for the show tonight I want to

2976
02:13:04,850 --> 02:13:02,220
thank you all so much for hanging in and

2977
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:04,860
listening I thought it was a great one

2978
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:07,610
I'm really excited about tonight's show

2979
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:10,050
and I might even might be one that I

2980
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:11,850
actually listened to again because it

2981
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:15,570
was that good I think anyway next week

2982
02:13:21,260 --> 02:13:17,760
we'll be back with dr. Bob gross I

2983
02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:21,270
talked to him out in out in Phoenix this

2984
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:23,250
last February real interesting guys

2985
02:13:26,270 --> 02:13:24,090
should be a great show

2986
02:13:30,110 --> 02:13:26,280
and we'll be back remember our new time

2987
02:13:31,250 --> 02:13:30,120
if you want to watch live is 6 to 8 p.m.

2988
02:13:33,860 --> 02:13:31,260
every Tuesday

2989
02:13:35,570 --> 02:13:33,870
and that's Eastern Standard Time thanks

2990
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:35,580
so much and I want to thank the people

2991
02:13:39,110 --> 02:13:37,890
who helped out with the show Alejandro

2992
02:13:41,390 --> 02:13:39,120
of course

2993
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:41,400
I want to thank our guests Dave Marlar

2994
02:13:46,430 --> 02:13:43,920
Ali Spiegel and James Fox

2995
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:46,440
I want to thank Evan for the working in

2996
02:13:50,930 --> 02:13:49,050
the background we have Peggy over doing

2997
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:50,940
our Facebook page remember to like us on

2998
02:13:56,540 --> 02:13:53,850
Facebook for all the latest UFO news

2999
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,550
it's always posted up there if someone

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02:14:02,390 --> 02:13:59,040
is interested in doing a guest blog just

3001
02:14:04,610 --> 02:14:02,400
email me at Martin at podcast UFO calm